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26-09-2009, 10:28 PM
Originally Posted by Hevvur 
As i've said before....
I have one of those 'red zone' dogs.
Both OH and I holding the lead couldn't control her if she saw another dog - even across the road, or at the other side of the park.
It got to the point when we didn't want to walk her because she was so anxious - it's not because she wasn't well socialised, as oldies on here know it's because she was attacked multiple times, so was fearful and anxious.
And only 3 hours into a positive training class, using only positive methods and distractions, she was a different dog.
She is no longer muzzled when walked, and spends time in the same room with other dogs! She's even doing a demo at our open day next week - with other dogs!
I didn't even have to choke her, alpha roll her, kick her or even raise my voice to achieve this.
Once I relaxed and showed her there was nothing to fear, she relaxed too - and all it took was some positive experiences with other dogs - just being near them and them not being bothered about her helped.
Since we started training in April, she has not been in the 'red zone' once!
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26-09-2009, 10:29 PM
Originally Posted by tinkladyv
I did, because im confident in this behaviour work and feel confident and happy to use it, thats the whole point and what i think people are missing and missjudging.
He is a GSD.
Im not expecting to convert anyone, but I have not just seen CM on tv and thought oh hes great, il do that. i have tried several different techniques and never felt comfortable. I actually found a trainer who uses CM methods before i ever heard about CM. Most methods i felt dumbed my dogs down, but i feel i have found what works best for my dogs, but as always will always be looking at new ideas and ways.
Above all you agree with me or not, not being the more probable, i will never knowingly hurt anyone with my physical!
Having had a 40kg GSD X leap at me whenever he saw me for a while...I know for sure I would never in a zillion years have been able to alpha roll him when he was actually jumping up, without using a great deal of force. Was the dog on a lead or something???? Did you grab the dog? I am struggling to picture how you did it.
I find it interesting that you think that other methods 'dumbed you dog down'...I am going so far away from CM's methods of late and my dogs are far more dog like these days. I want my dogs to be dogs...they are more responsive and think more as a result. Can I ask what other methods you have used and how they dumbed your dogs down? Have you used a clicker at all??I would be very interested to hear if you think that dumbed your dog down and in what way?
IT may sound like I am picking on you but I am not meaning to. I just can't picture the alpha roll being done to stop the dog jumping up....and am interested that someone thinks CM's methods are the ones that don't dumb dogs down.
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26-09-2009, 10:32 PM
Originally Posted by tinkladyv
Yes i rolled an anxios dog, to take control for him. i used the Alpha roll to say to him, its ok, im in control, you can trust me. I beleive the results say he did, as im sure you wont.
I felt in no danger of being bitten.
Yes for months, we all did.
Interesting stuff.
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26-09-2009, 10:36 PM
Originally Posted by tinkladyv
Yes i rolled an anxios dog, to take control for him. i used the Alpha roll to say to him, its ok, im in control, you can trust me. I beleive the results say he did, as im sure you wont.
I felt in no danger of being bitten.
Yes for months, we all did.
I am sorry, but I couldn't help but comment on this statement. You would not convey the message 'it's OK' when you alpha roll, it's a dominant gesture, never to be used in my opinion. My dog had a bad experience last week and I am having problems with him keep jumping up me in fear when I am walking him now, it would just make him crumble if I alpha rolled him, it would not tell him it was OK. In fact, when I think about it, I don't think I have ever touched him when training him. I only touch him for a cuddle and strokes.
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26-09-2009, 10:43 PM
Originally Posted by Ramble
I am still struggling to picture (actually more so now) how you alpha roll a GSD that is jumping up...without using force.
Having had a 40kg GSD X leap at me whenever he saw me for a while...I know for sure I would never in a zillion years have been able to alpha roll him when he was actually jumping up, without using a great deal of force. Was the dog on a lead or something???? Did you grab the dog? I am struggling to picture how you did it.
I find it interesting that you think that other methods 'dumbed you dog down'...I am going so far away from CM's methods of late and my dogs are far more dog like these days. I want my dogs to be dogs...they are more responsive and think more as a result. Can I ask what other methods you have used and how they dumbed your dogs down? Have you used a clicker at all??I would be very interested to hear if you think that dumbed your dog down and in what way?
IT may sound like I am picking on you but I am not meaning to. I just can't picture the alpha roll being done to stop the dog jumping up....and am interested that someone thinks CM's methods are the ones that don't dumb dogs down.
I have used clicker training yes with my collie as a pup. I found it was as far away from how a dog behaves naturally. I have only ever trained to keep them safe and under control for others and hated the whole performance of clicker training. Podge did not do any of it, but settled so well to the method i used now. But its all personal choice, i dont judge anyone for what they beleive si best for them and their dog as we will all do what is best for them at the ned of the day. and never hurt or scare them. thats what makes us dog lovers!
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26-09-2009, 10:44 PM
Originally Posted by tinkladyv
Thanks for clarifying that for me as i am feeling quite targeted on here. its hard to expalin clearly, but i use the bite method, where you use your hand as a dogs mouth, a dog will resond with very little pressure, into a kind of a sit and then i moved a hand to his shoulder to lay him down useing the same bite method. He was not on a lead.
I have used clicker training yes with my collie as a pup. I found it was as far away from how a dog behaves naturally. I have only ever trained to keep them safe and under control for others and hated the whole performance of clicker training. Podge did not do any of it, but settled so well to the method i used now. But its all personal choice, i dont judge anyone for what they beleive si best for them and their dog as we will all do what is best for them at the ned of the day. and never hurt or scare them. thats what makes us dog lovers!
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26-09-2009, 10:47 PM
Originally Posted by Annajayne
I am sorry, but I couldn't help but comment on this statement. You would not convey the message 'it's OK' when you alpha roll, it's a dominant gesture, never to be used in my opinion. My dog had a bad experience last week and I am having problems with him keep jumping up me in fear when I am walking him now, it would just make him crumble if I alpha rolled him, it would not tell him it was OK. In fact, when I think about it, I don't think I have ever touched him when training him. I only touch him for a cuddle and strokes.
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26-09-2009, 10:49 PM
Originally Posted by Annajayne
I am sorry, but I couldn't help but comment on this statement. You would not convey the message 'it's OK' when you alpha roll, it's a dominant gesture, never to be used in my opinion. My dog had a bad experience last week and I am having problems with him keep jumping up me in fear when I am walking him now, it would just make him crumble if I alpha rolled him, it would not tell him it was OK. In fact, when I think about it, I don't think I have ever touched him when training him. I only touch him for a cuddle and strokes.
But of course you will know your dog best and for you im sure that is right, but for me and this dog this method was right and all i can tell you is that he is a happy lovely fellow.
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26-09-2009, 10:53 PM