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10-01-2011, 07:54 PM
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I agree, but sometimes , you have to just let it go and accept, your help is not wanted.

P.S, if this was my dog, he would be PTS, if I felt I could not keep him, I would not be passing the problem onto anyone else.

It may not be a popular viewpoint, but one I stand by.
I have been in the situation of owning a biting dog who had health issues (that caused the biting). If I knew that the health issue was the cause of the biting and that rehoming her to someone with more experience (or money, if that was an issue) could cure or at least help her health condition improve, I would strongly consider it.
This could be an unfortunate case of the lack of savvy owners, lack of training, mixed with a health issue causing these attacks, and perhaps overall the dog may be better of euthanised, but it could be solely down to sore skin or even a side effect to the steroids - this dog could be totally transformed with a change of medication. I think it's at least worth trying to rule out any further health conditions and get the dog assessed by someone who knows about these issues.
The easier solution may be euthanasia but you could say that for all the other Bull breeds sat in kennels, issues or no issues. I know of kenneled dogs who've developed bad kennel habits which can include biting but that's not a true reflection of the dog or its behaviour in a home situation. If you doom a dog to euthanasia for biting without establishing the cause then I know of several dogs who are now in homes without so much as a growl who wouldn't be with us now.
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10-01-2011, 08:46 PM
Originally Posted by krlyr View Post
I have been in the situation of owning a biting dog who had health issues (that caused the biting). If I knew that the health issue was the cause of the biting and that rehoming her to someone with more experience (or money, if that was an issue) could cure or at least help her health condition improve, I would strongly consider it.
This could be an unfortunate case of the lack of savvy owners, lack of training, mixed with a health issue causing these attacks, and perhaps overall the dog may be better of euthanised, but it could be solely down to sore skin or even a side effect to the steroids - this dog could be totally transformed with a change of medication. I think it's at least worth trying to rule out any further health conditions and get the dog assessed by someone who knows about these issues.
The easier solution may be euthanasia but you could say that for all the other Bull breeds sat in kennels, issues or no issues. I know of kenneled dogs who've developed bad kennel habits which can include biting but that's not a true reflection of the dog or its behaviour in a home situation. If you doom a dog to euthanasia for biting without establishing the cause then I know of several dogs who are now in homes without so much as a growl who wouldn't be with us now.
I agree, but remember the dog attacked the mother 2 yrs ago too, was the dog suffering from the same health problems then?

I see where you are coming from,and everyone will make their own choice, but for me, if I felt I could not give said dog a home and deal with his health/temperament issues, then as I said, he/she would not get passed on.
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10-01-2011, 09:22 PM
This big, powerful dog has health issues, serious behavioural issues, has bitten twice and has owners that are completely out of their depth. There are worse things than being pts.... like spending the rest of your life in a kennel or being passed around from pillar to post and then pts. There are thousands of dogs in rescue that have none of these problems and will still never find a home. I would have this dog pts to avoid anyone else being hurt and avoid him ending up in a cold kennel for the rest of his life.
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10-01-2011, 10:00 PM
Surely you could use that argment on any kenneled dog? Do you have a cut off point? Two months in kennels then euthanise them to save a mont homeable dog? A month? A few days? How do you decide which dogs to give a chance to? How do you decide whether a bite is an attack or just a bad situation the dog should never have been put in? Any dog is capable of biting if pushed to it, many people will lie and never say if their dog has bitten as they know that could be a death sentence, should rescues euthanise any powerful/large/bull breed because they may have a bite history?
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10-01-2011, 10:09 PM
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Surely you could use that argment on any kenneled dog? Do you have a cut off point? Two months in kennels then euthanise them to save a mont homeable dog? A month? A few days? How do you decide which dogs to give a chance to? How do you decide whether a bite is an attack or just a bad situation the dog should never have been put in? Any dog is capable of biting if pushed to it, many people will lie and never say if their dog has bitten as they know that could be a death sentence, should rescues euthanise any powerful/large/bull breed because they may have a bite history?
Many do,they simply won't take the chance.

People do lie, and then it's upto the rescue concerned to decide whether or not the dog is suitable for rehoming.

After what happened with my son I would be extremely cautious of taking on any rescue dog,certainly wouldn't entertain taking on a large powerful dog with a history of biting people.

Sadly you can't save them all and it's a tough call for rescue's to make but someone has to decide which dogs are suitable for rehoming and which ones should be pts.
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11-01-2011, 08:17 AM
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Sadly you can't save them all and it's a tough call for rescue's to make but someone has to decide which dogs are suitable for rehoming and which ones should be pts.
But surely health checks and an assessment would go a long way towards making a more informed decision?
Yes, the dog has a bite history but I had a dog with a "bite history" - she was not aggressive, she was just a dog in quite a bit of pain. This dog has a health condition, is on medication, I just don't think you can assume it's aggressive because it's bitten, especially as we know the second bite involved food (the owner knows it resource guards food and steroids can make dogs ravenous which probably didn't help), we know the dog issued a warning growl, and the person bitten carried on playing with the dog's teeth regardless. I don't think you can count that as an act of aggression. Maybe the first bite 2 years ago was unprovoked but I really hope there is a rescue out there that would ask questions about it and find out what happened rather than just say "Nope, he bit, that's it, put him down"
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11-01-2011, 02:48 PM
I grow weary or arguing on this thread but I stand by my original views and agree with Krylr 100%

Turbo was put to sleep at 9.30 am this morning Vet agreed that he was very uncomfortable with his skin and likely that it was a significant contributing factor his aggression. As they refused to see a skin specialist, there was nothing further the vet could do.

Perhaps if this poor lad had got the medical treatment he had needed years ago then maybe none of this would have happened.

Sleep well Turbo, another dog failed by humans.
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11-01-2011, 03:45 PM
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I grow weary or arguing on this thread but I stand by my original views and agree with Krylr 100%

Turbo was put to sleep at 9.30 am this morning Vet agreed that he was very uncomfortable with his skin and likely that it was a significant contributing factor his aggression. As they refused to see a skin specialist, there was nothing further the vet could do.

Perhaps if this poor lad had got the medical treatment he had needed years ago then maybe none of this would have happened.

Sleep well Turbo, another dog failed by humans.
RIP Turbo xx
You tried,nothing more you could have done,
Some people don't have the funds to go on to see specialist's etc.
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11-01-2011, 04:20 PM
He was insured
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11-01-2011, 04:21 PM
Originally Posted by Moon's Mum View Post
I grow weary or arguing on this thread but I stand by my original views and agree with Krylr 100%

Turbo was put to sleep at 9.30 am this morning Vet agreed that he was very uncomfortable with his skin and likely that it was a significant contributing factor his aggression. As they refused to see a skin specialist, there was nothing further the vet could do.

Perhaps if this poor lad had got the medical treatment he had needed years ago then maybe none of this would have happened.

Sleep well Turbo, another dog failed by humans.
I am so sorry to read this, and I can imagine how hard it is for you as you tried your best

It just makes me angry
The poor boy was so let down by his people
But I guess if they couldnt be bothered to help him not be in pain, and it would be near impossible to rehome him, then it is the best solution

I just hope they dont get another dog

I also did wonder in the 1st post where you said he growled then the dad started playing with his teeth

im sorry - what a total fool
an in pain, unhappy dog had a human poke his fingers in his mouth when he had clearly asked for a bit of space

I wish us people would just respect our dogs a little more and not expect them to never be grumpy, never have off days and never want to be just left alone

Run free big guy, I am so sorry people let you down
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