dominance in dogs has not been subject to much scientific research.
did like this line as a lot have said that it does not happen

I was just curious because you seem so very strongly pro Milan, I wondered if you'd used his techniques professionally is all

Well that's not on for a start, no point making people feel bad when helping them to train, I'd agree with you there
I know, there are too many people like this - no people skills and not any real dog training skills.
Yes, I agree, I think somewhere (I have absolutely no idea where! ) I mentioned that, but can't remember the exact context.

Designed to communicate

I don't understand some of what you've written about your dog, it sounds as if you are thinking her reactions/commumication is like a big pretense? I'm sure I'm reading it wrong.

Too anthropomorphic! dogs are dogs, period. They do what they do - and they communicate pretty honestly. CM strings some of them up and pins them down, of course they fight him!

If you were choking and being made to walk with that person, and your parents just stood there letting it happen, what would you do? I'd flipping well fight him for my life.

No it's not .... sorry...it's really not.

Because it's afraid...

He's not grappling much and he's calm - but he's still using tight collars and choking and the rest. I could hold a dog calmly and still cause it much distress and fear, I could slowly choke one to death in that way, I'm sure you could too.

I'm finding this more and more difficult to read.

Much debate over whether the dogs are calm or actually in a state of learned helplessness. I see the latter unless the film goes on for some time after, then we may see a calmer dog which is very relieved.

No doubt the dog's eyes light up because he is grateful for the lesson in manners and not having a tantrum

I think it wasn't too far off really

I've only seen the same clips posted on different sites

The episode that jonbee is in is actually on sky 3 this thursday 24th april at 6pm. If you don't have sky then maybe someone could record it for you and then you would have a chance to see the whole thing? No idea if that channel is available on freeview?

I was quite proud of it

Colliemad, Sky 3 is on freeview

thanks sarah, wasn't sure!

Mish: I've just been trying to catch up on this thread ... starting from page 50, but I've actually had to give up because of a head and brain ache!

However, there was one comment from you that I must address because I would hate to think that I was getting at you. I had said something like "someone had said such and such". This "someone" was actually yourself, and you seem to have taken grave exception at it, assuming that I was winding you up. I promise you I wasn't, what it is is this. I get flack like you would never imagine from OH whenever I come on Dogsey, so I have very little time indeed to make and read postings. I wasn't sure whether it was you, Patch, Colliemad or someone else who had made the statement I was quoting, and I just couldn't trawl back through loads of posts looking for it. It was just quicker to say "someone". Sorry, but that's just the way it is, so apologies in advance if anyone is ever offended by my lack of smiley thingeys, or blurred references, I just don't have the time to play for too long between (supposedly) working !!

By the way mishflynn if it was you who suggested that a pro CM-er should video themselves working with their dog, then I think that is a brilliant idea. We have got an ancient video camera somewhere, when the weather is a bit warmer I will certainly get OH to film me controlling Tai off lead whilst walking past the chickens that are loose on the set aside (grrr, it really annoys me this, the owner freaks when a dog gets one of his chickens yet he makes no attempt to keep them in his garden. The damned stupid things hide under the hedge, so you think they are all in the garden, and then just when the dog walks past, they all go bananas and start running around like the headless chickens they are very soon about to become!). One of my most pet hates at the moment. We now have a dog fox hanging around, so when he gets into the garden and kills them all, doubtless Tai is going to get the blame

I posted a vid yesterday of my dog doing retrieval. It's titled 'Retrieval Practice'.

It's very funny

Thanx, I'll record it on sky+ they're series linked anyway so it will do it automatically.
Well I've seen two different ones both on this thread I think, which is what I was referring to, don't ask me to find them though.

oh good job I went and checked, I record the ones on tuesdays at 6pm on sky 3 not the thursday, but I've now set it to record it.