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17-10-2007, 08:56 PM
am just watchin it now (taped it) and i cant believe that they didnt muzzle the dog if is had a history of aggression (am only at the beginning of the programme btw) will post what i think at the end!
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17-10-2007, 08:59 PM
No offence to nobody but for the love of me I can't grasp how anyone can say it's ok to put a dog to sleep at 1yr old because it's just crazy.I have a cocker who has bitten on a number of occasions,I took him on as a rescue.The woman who had him before me said he was prone to doing this.However he only does it when under pressure ie being taken out of the car.Does he merit being pts too,don't think so.He just needed understanding and kindness which he now receives in abundance.Glad he has never been to Dog Borstal and never will be,xxxxxxxxxx
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17-10-2007, 09:11 PM
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they could do what BMR did when they passed dogs to me, and pass dogs over to a trainer with the knowlage to assess / then give relevant training if appropriate to the dog, once this is done then a desission can be made,
OK, I see where you are coming from, but..... in a controlled environment and for a considerable aount of time, dogs do not often show what they are really like. They can change and revert in a flash. Whilst I "thought" the Labrador I was homing was not given the correct training and socialising, I was ready to rehome him having had him for over 3 months, and he did NOTHING at all to suggest he was anything but a pleasant dog, when he turned, he did EXACTLY what we had been told he had done before, resulting in a serious bite to my boss's stomach. Now if you had had the AB and you found him to be ok and you did a bit of work with him etc... and you rehomed him and the same thing happened, how would you feel? What would you do? there is no way on this earth ANYOBODY judging this program nor those people can say with ANY certainty that the dog was trainable or would ever be safe in a family home.
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17-10-2007, 09:14 PM
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No offence to nobody but for the love of me I can't grasp how anyone can say it's ok to put a dog to sleep at 1yr old because it's just crazy.I have a cocker who has bitten on a number of occasions,I took him on as a rescue.The woman who had him before me said he was prone to doing this.However he only does it when under pressure ie being taken out of the car.Does he merit being pts too,don't think so.He just needed understanding and kindness which he now receives in abundance.Glad he has never been to Dog Borstal and never will be,xxxxxxxxxx
Honestly? I would NEVER have a dog that bit family members, if you think its ok then thats fine, not a chance I would have it.
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17-10-2007, 09:22 PM
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Can I add at no point did this so called utterly aggressive dog draw blood,,,In my opinion this dog could take a large part of your arm if it wanted so I think it was at the very start of throwing weight around,
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am just watchin it now (taped it) and i cant believe that they didnt muzzle the dog if is had a history of aggression (am only at the beginning of the programme btw) will post what i think at the end!
Agreed. The dog was at that age, and if he was so agressive they would have muzzled him as they did the Greyhound.

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Homed it to who? Somebody who had no children? and how would that be guaranteed in the future?

Think about it, if breed and general rescues were contacted, who I assume had a lot of experience with most breeds, and they said no, how would they rehome it? Advertise? hide the fact it had bitten unprovoked several times? admit it had bitten and expect folk to say, yes Ill take on a breed known for its guarding and fighting tendancies, thats already acting unpredictably and aggressively towards strangers AND family?

Then what would happen if it bit again? who's fault? I can see it now, "Aggressive dog rehomed, only to attack again" not worth it, not in a million years, regardless of who is to blame, the right decision was made IMO.
Really? I only saw it nip. Did it ever draw blood? I don't think so. How comes they didn't show arms and hands full of cuts n bites like they normally do?

I should have been clearer - yes, they should have rehomed the dog or 'got rid', because I don't believe they were capable of owning this dog. No offence to them but they didn't seem intelligent enough to now give this dog what it needed - ie proper training. They also didn't look as though they would have enough money to get proper professional help either. So yes they were better of finding a way for this dog to be out of their lives.

Could they have rehomed him with someone else? We have a member here, (John) who rehomed an adult American Bulldog with a history of dog aggression, and as far as I know the dog is doing very well with his new experienced owner. So yes they could have rehomed him.

What would be the chances of them finding such an owner, unfortunately very slim. Because there are too many dogs that end up like this and not enough experienced owners who have a home for them.

I don't believe Wilson was an aggressive dog - I only saw him nip, and that is not uncommon with large bull breeds, esp when they get to a certain age. And often when they get over excited and want you to play. It is also them being dominent. Hence why they need someone who knows how to deal with such breeds.

Rocky too would try to nip when he was a pup! He too would jump up to nip your hands. He too would challange a 'stranger' in his territory - these are all things that are inherent in such breeds.

They are territorial
They are dominent

They should NOT be sold to inexperienced owners!!!!!


The dog was not at fault - the owner and breeder was.

The question is how do we stop this from happening over and over and over again?

Stricter laws on animal breeding and selling?
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17-10-2007, 09:26 PM
^^ yeah very much needed stricter laws on breeding and selling!!!

im at the test bit now but i can see why wilson was pts - with kids about its better for him to be pts than bepassed from hoome to home
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17-10-2007, 09:27 PM
I didn't see this episode and i'm very glad. If i'm wrong please correct me but isn't a dog of 1 year old a teenager and trying to push the bounderies just like any teenager. I know my dogs have, unfortunately if they have little or no training then i presume they push these even further. Unfortunately it's too late for that poor dog it's just to be hoped that this episode will perhaps put some people off getting a dog they like the look off. Without reseaching the breed and learning how to train it properly.
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17-10-2007, 09:31 PM
Could they have rehomed him with someone else? We have a member here, (John) who rehomed an adult American Bulldog with a history of dog aggression, and as far as I know the dog is doing very well with his new experienced owner. So yes they could have rehomed him.
Dog aggression is a long way from human aggression, I never saw anything that said the dog was aggressive towards other animals, just people. The dog did bite the vet, she was quick and moved in time, the dog was also pulled sharply away, what would of happened if they didnt react that quickly? He had bitten the owner, not the mouthy play we saw at times, they said bitten her, plus other people and all for unprovoked reasons, the lunge at the trainer was way out of line, totally unprovoked, the dog was under no pressure, he was relaxed and mooching around happilly before HE decided to go for the guy.

A dog aggressive dog is a completely different scenario Azz, Im sure you wouldnt think twice (I know I wouldnt) about rehoming a dog aggressive Presa (if you had no other dogs) but if it was a Presa that had bitten without provokation family members, strangers etc... and displayed unpredictable behaviour, I dont think you would first in line to take it on!

I agree about better selling/breeding laws, but sadly i dont think we will see it, whilst I think this person was the wrong type for this dog, I dont think she didnt try, I think she did.
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17-10-2007, 09:32 PM
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I didn't see this episode and i'm very glad. If i'm wrong please correct me but isn't a dog of 1 year old a teenager and trying to push the bounderies just like any teenager. I know my dogs have, unfortunately if they have little or no training then i presume they push these even further. Unfortunately it's too late for that poor dog it's just to be hoped that this episode will perhaps put some people off getting a dog they like the look off. Without reseaching the breed and learning how to train it properly.
Very much so - it's just more intense with some of the bigger bull breeds.

I can't say it enough, the dog was not at fault. It really is sad to see dogs being killed because of owner and breeder mistakes
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17-10-2007, 09:36 PM
Rottweilers often go through this pushy bulshy stage, I have had males face me up with a full set of whites, Are my dogs nasty or aggressive, Not in any way, its a stage they go through, sadly an owner who shys away from the work needed,,,ends up in the same position as they owners of poor wilson, Royce came to me at 18 months old, I did not take him long to try his luck,,he only did it the one time,
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