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11-02-2011, 02:15 PM
You well may!
Can't speak for others but I generally find that I am not followed around by people at all the places I exercise my dogs at, so for example, whilst certain people in a particular location may see me doing this, they are not at the lakes where I swim my dogs, not on the airfield where I bike them, not at the fields where I track them etc etc
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11-02-2011, 02:23 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear 
But I could be doing thse people a disservice in that when I've seen them, perhaps it's just a quick stretch of the legs at lunchtime & they do other things as well.
You well may!
Can't speak for others but I generally find that I am not followed around by people at all the places I exercise my dogs at, so for example, whilst certain people in a particular location may see me doing this, they are not at the lakes where I swim my dogs, not on the airfield where I bike them, not at the fields where I track them etc etc
Sounds like your dogs have a great time
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11-02-2011, 04:41 PM
Originally Posted by Adam Palmer
To add
With the BD fox scenario I was talking about my terriers reactions, not collies.
I have to say while my dogs do chase sticks/balls ect they do have a lot more enthusiasm for chasing real stuff (usually foxes)
Re what SB says. I have certainly found that if you have a dog that chases balls and (Insert inappropriate prey item here) when you stop its chasing of the wrong thing its ball drive (if you will) increases.
Whats the story with working dogs then? Do they loose ball drive the more they work sheep, retrieve birds ect.
Adam
) but some just aren't interested in going after a ball - then others enjoy going after the dog going after the ball iyswim. I think it is an individual thing - just as some dogs have a very high prey drive, some have little. I would imagine the breed of dog plays a part in that, as well as the dog's individual character.
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11-02-2011, 05:43 PM
Originally Posted by Tassle
Do you think she would work sheep?
With mav, bloody good training! Id still like him stronger
its on going. mainley work on his drive in short bursts, he could never do a hour HW training, where as zo gets better the more she does.
His training is a mix of Op conditioning, food reward, play reward, bit of hands on-bit of hands off, bit of stupidity, & lead use
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11-02-2011, 05:53 PM
Originally Posted by wilbar
IMO the use of toys is effectively a substitute for predatory behaviour allowing the dog to act out normal instincts, but through learning, the dog continues to perform parts of the sequence, getting rewards from owners/trainers or from the internal drive mechanisms being satisfied.
thats why chasing a ball or any game is exciting, as a satisfied prey drive is the well spring of emotion.
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11-02-2011, 05:56 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
Daisy will chase the ball not the rabbit. Because she`s learned that ballie is rewarding and hasn`t learned that with rabbits.
tbh I`ve never heard of the expression `ball drive` before.
I thought it was about motivation and channeling instincts. I doubt a dog has a `ball drive` tbh.
I can understand that prey drive is there because that is linked to survival. I don`t really see how a ball provokes a `drive`. Unless it is substitute for prey.
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11-02-2011, 05:59 PM
Originally Posted by Velvetboxers
If for instance i throw a ball with the ball chucker - which will go a good distance & at the same time a rabbit breaks cover, what does it say about the dog that chases the ball & not the rabbit
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11-02-2011, 06:04 PM
Although I would not say the ball is of a higher reward, but we have taught the dog to accept that instead of.
A bit like training, my dog would prefer the ball but sometimes he gets food instead and will accept it in lieu of the ball.
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11-02-2011, 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
those of us who do manwork do a similar thing, call the dog off a running man for the ball............
(Idont do manwork,but my "old man"has run crim many time0
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