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25-09-2010, 07:36 PM
Originally Posted by rune 
What happens when a child does wrong in a class? Or to go further---what happens when a student tries to shoot their teacher (which has happened).
They are punished in some way----the only way you can punish anyone is if you are in charge of them and therefore dominant---otherwise you will be dominated by them.
The majority of times with kids and dogs the domination is passive and understood by all parties concerned and adhered to with few problems.
Occassionally it doesn't work and the kids run riot or the dogs fight/argue the point/bite/growl etc.
If it makes you happy to think there is no heirachy and no domination then thats fine, but you are kidding yourself in the interests of being PC.
rune
It's called mutual respect, not dominance
Jann
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25-09-2010, 07:52 PM
Originally Posted by ClaireandDaisy
I`ve owned a dominant bitch, and trust me - you`d know if you had one!
What people usually mean is that the dog is pushy or badly trained, which is a different thing entirely.
My bitch would stand in the middle of the path in the park if she saw a pushchair or wheelchair so they would be forced to go round her. She would (if given the chance) put any dog on their back and stand over them till they submitted. She would go to extraordinary lengths to pee higher than other dogs (and for a bitch that`s not easy). And she challenged me every day of her life till she developed a crippling injury. Then she `allowed` me to take over as boss. I now think she had an excess of testosterone.
But her behaviour didn`t include stuff that CM calls dominant. She walked well, was well trained, didn`t steal etc. She was just convinced that she was top dog.
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25-09-2010, 08:28 PM
Originally Posted by rune
What is it when a dog bites because it has been told to get off the sofa?
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25-09-2010, 09:01 PM
Originally Posted by rune
What is it when a dog bites because it has been told to get off the sofa?
How mutual is that respect?
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25-09-2010, 10:08 PM
Originally Posted by rune
Sorry BD---don't agree but not feeling like a 'discussion' with you tonight----maybe another time.
I am awarding myself a click followed by a cyber mars bar.
rune
Have a mars for me too, cant stand the things.
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26-09-2010, 10:28 AM
Originally Posted by rune
What is it when a dog bites because it has been told to get off the sofa?
How mutual is that respect?
rune
Often BECAUSE of a belief in dominance I see people getting into uness conflicts with their dogs
People assume the dog should just get off the sofa when told - because that shows their dominance - so therefore if the dog dosent get off the sofa they become angry and make that a battle
This makes the dog become MORE defensive if its position because he is now expecting angry human
and at the same time he has not been fully trained what is expected, he is comfy on the sofa and has learnt that showing his teeth gets him to stay in the nice comfy place
Its very easy to train a dog to get off the sofa as a fun trick that they enjoy
When I first got Mia when I asked her to get off the sofa she tensed up and hardened her eyes, I could see a conflict was brewing
I grabbed a handful off treats, chucked them on the floor and asked her to go get them
she happily did
Then the next few days I taught her to get on and off the sofa, made it fun and v rewarding
and I have never had any conflict since
Had I forced her and got angry with her it prob woulndt have taken her long to become a biter
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26-09-2010, 11:39 AM
Originally Posted by rune
Doesn't matter WHY you don't let her out the mere fact that you do means you are in charge and dominating her behaviour.
If you prefer to think that you are equal then thats fine but you really are kidding yourself.
rune
Originally Posted by Skyesmum
It's called mutual respect, not dominance
Jann
Originally Posted by rune
What is it when a dog bites because it has been told to get off the sofa?
How mutual is that respect?
rune
But thats not me being dominant.
Originally Posted by Borderdawn
Bad manners and lack of training.
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