she is unable to take him,she is in a flat,and i wouldnt let her i know shes her bitch but no,hes my responsiblitlity,no hers,and as i stepped in and bottle fed him i ensured his survival,and we just took a picture of him and he blinked at the flash so the test patch suggested will work out in his favour maybe.im sorry bout the breeder bit,i meant as i deliverd him bottle fed him and was there from day one i would have more of a understanding than most in really sorry to upset you or anyone else with this statement xxzb

Fair enough, but it didn't read that way.
So you feel responable for him because you delivered him.

I am not trying to give that impression, ofcause some contracts are water tight, but they have to be done correctly, I am a great believer in doing all you can to protect your dogs, and I admire anyone who insists on them when selling pups, but the fact remains, if you are not seeing your puppies every wk/mth/day, you can not check up on them and see if they are still in the same hands.

and unlike rescues (some) who will be a charity, a lot of people will not have the funds to follow through to fight itin the courts.

yes and bottle fed him when he was ill and the vet thought he wouldnt do,and gave his medication,and sat up all night with him,and weaned him to be healthy now,(well as he can be)so yep i feel responsible for him.

Oooh, that sounds very hopeful
Fingers crossed for good test results as even just a tiny amount of vision will make a huge difference, not least for how less worried you would be about managing for him - and I`ll lay odds that it worries you far more than it does the pupster

when is the best time for the test?
Could his eyes etc still be developing, any amount or eye sight or hearing can only be good.

If I didnt live on the other side of the world, Id take him right now. This little guy has got me thinking....i dont know why, but I just know god made him that way for a reason. Let us know what you might do, or if you need any help what so ever. Im def. here if you need me!

Hi,
Sorry i havnt been on for ages and have only just seen this post.

Right where to start! For one you have a white breed, as with Dalmatians deafness is - well not common but a breed trait for any fully white dog! The whiteness of the ears is the same gene for deafness and is probable in white dogs. Therefore althou the parents could be responsible the only way you will know is from bear hearing testing over generations and it can still occur, althou less from fully hearing parents.
The blindness could be a number of things, thou if he was basically a pup who may not have survived, could just be a byproduct of such.

I dont believe in playing God BUT in saving his life you have already begun.
All breeders have a responsibility to their pups to the breed and to the people who r taking on their dogs.
I see it like this, there r too many dogs already. It is a hard task to find a good home for a healthy thriving puppy anyway. & basically for one sick pup to find a home it could mean a healthy one in a shelter or elsewher gets pts.
At diasgnosis what is best for the puppy is clear, an unnawear, happy puppy will not endure any suffering if they r pts. However if not could become scared and not enjoy a fullfilling life.

I dont think it is fair of ANY breeder to pass on their mistakes, illnesses, unhealthy animals to anyone else, at all. If everyone did so breeds would be in a mess and it is not for the good of the breeds.
It is and will be for that dogs life your responsibility.
It was a wise wise person who said with great power comes great responsibility and becomign a breeder puts yourself in a position of power for those lives.

I can understand you wanting the best for him and trying to rehome him BUT no matter how you feel please look at everything from the puppies veiw now you have brought him this far.

I wish you all the best with him, but maybe if breeders knew potential problems before they started not as many people would breed, or would be well informed beforehand.
Jules xxxx

Hi Toni
As you know I really sympathise with you, Molly was still born and my friend who played midwife saved her.Some dogs in my opinion are not meant to live but if they do its a second chance and should be cheered.
I think your trying to do the best you can for fluff and if that means rehoming instead of pts all credit to you.
your in a no win situation hun at the end of the day you do whats best for the dog if he gets of chance of life all credit to you .
With regarsd to breeders knowing the pitfalls there by the grace of god go I.......even the top breeders in Welshies have a genetic "blip" every now and then my friends show champion bitch had hips of 88, mum was 11 dad was 9 its one of those things

Any pup may end up having a bad life regardless of disability or not, and sadly many do end up in the wrong hands, being born perfect or not makes no difference in that regard.

Disability or should I say a human perceived `imperfection` should not be a reason to kill a pup.

My four deaf dogs, [ one of them also partially sighted and a tripod - no his name is`nt Lucky ], my deaf Bridge girl, and my blind moglet who passed away recently, would strongly disagree with you.

My blind moglet [ who was also mildy braindamaged but was oblivious of that herself ], had a wonderful life :smt049 and my `disabled` rescue dogs are very happy indeed with very full lives, including three of them doing Agility [ one only at puppy stage as she`s too young to actually jump, me being the instructor I`m very strict on that ], - which many perfectly able dogs never even get to try let alone compete in...

*They* - and its the dogs who count - are not aware that they are not `perfect` in some peoples eyes. They certainly are as `perfect` as any other dog in mine