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Originally Posted by
Colin
Anne-Marie first of all my critique of Merlin was in post 20 and not the one you highlighted from.
The reason I made that statement you highlighted was because Mo the OP had already stated that Merlin had been given excellent 1 for his confirmation in France (Post 3), and Dawn (Borderdawn) in post 22 had stated and I quote "I can see where his markings are a bit smudgy there Mo" and I had also said that his coat was patchy.
I'm sorry but the fact are really simple. This dog would not reach the standard required to enter into a German championship show, You see the standard of those shows is really high and all I was trying to do was put things into perspective. It just that Merlin is not in the same league as a full German dobe so would be able to enter.
Also I have never once been rude to either the OP or Dawn, all I'm doing is pointing out observations about Merlin as I see them. These are my opinions about the dog and no one else’s.
The other thing is that I said in post 20 and I quote "but his lower jaw looks very slightly undershot, but that could just be the photo". At no point have I condemned the dog, as Minihaha seems to think. So please don't try to make my comments into something they are not.
For all those that are trying to work out how you can tell if a dog has a undershot jaw or not you need to look at the teeth and not the jaw itself.
An undershot jaw is when the front teeth (incisors) of the lower jaw overlap or project beyond the front of the upper jaw when the mouth is closed. Boxers and Bulldogs are good examples of this bite. All Dobes will be disqualified from the breed ring in the UK if it is "undershot" by more than 1/8 of an inch.
The proper bite is a "true scissors" -lower incisors upright and touching inside of upper incisors.
Just so you know an Overshot jaw is when the front teeth (incisors) of the upper jaw overlap and do not touch the front teeth of the lower jaw when the mouth is closed. All Dobes will be disqualified from the breed ring in the UK if it is "overshot" more than 3/16 of an inch.
I hope that has cleared up the issue once and for all.
I appreciate your reply Colin.
Perhaps it would have been more constructive if you had worded it like this in your previous reply, instead of saying :-
"Put it this way if he was to be put up against a German champion dobe he would be laughed out of the arena"
That could definately have been put more diplomatically and is certainly not putting things into perspective or in a constructive manner
Also when you said:-
"but I still stick by my opinion that Marlin is by no way the perfect dog Mo says he is"
I see nowhere where she says he IS perfect!!! Merlin was put up for an honest, impartial critique just like every Dogsey dog is. I would like to say that there is no such thing as a PERFECT dog, they simply don't exist! Even a multi-champ winner has it's flaws for heavens sake!!!
I get the feeling he just isn't 'your type' - well that is fine, every 'judge' has their own personal taste and opinion.
But still, please try and critique accordingly to the rules