One shouldn't make assumptions in a discussion

That's right, but it doesn't mean it isn't either, therefore my examiner sees fit to warn people not to breed from dogs with it JUST IN CASE as stated in one of my original posts.

I think it is relatively safe to make assumptions based on official publications as long as you are prepared to apologise if it is proved to the contrary In this case, I am sure they will be in the next BRS, so that is fine. I hope they were both clear

However, you were asking for documentation that proved definitively they shouldn't breed if a dog has any type of cataract. Which isn't always the case.

I don't see whay having a genetic (if it is) problem should preclude an animal from breeding, after all they may have this disease but be the only line free from another one. You shouldn't exclude a dog from the breeding program on just one thing. Of course once it's been diagnosed then a considerable amount of care needs to be taken and lines thoroughly researched and of course if the disorder is a simple recessive then both parents will be carriers and all the offspring at best will be carriers.
So certainly I think that blood samples from all these dogs should be submitted to help establish a gene test, that goes without saying, but to just say under no circumstances breed is a tad short sighted.
Becky

You and I both know the BRS is not a weekly, or even monthly publication, so even the most eagle eye of us who want to see things, have to wait for the info we want

Yes I was, as I thought there may have been some kind of evidence somewhere that this is the case !!!

I've spent years having it drummed in that dogs with it should not be bred from full stop.

I didn't know otherwise as I said before, if it isn't the case please enlighten me, I'm genuinely inerested to know.

As I've just said, I wasnt aware there were any grey areas regarding this, I thought it was black and white, as that is what I have always been told ..........if a dog has it, don't breed, full stop.

Not sure about my friends breed, but in mine, they don't yet have the marker, so dont know if it's a recessive or not, maybe that's the reason it's black and white !!

or maybe that's just the opinion of your opthalmologist rather than a universal view?
Becky

Oh I know, but since the latest BRS only came out a few days ago, it is about as up-to-date as it gets

It isn't the case for all cataracts as not all are hereditary, however for the ones that are - no they shouldn't be used. It really does depend entirely on the breed. In the breed I mentioned earlier (not Mals ) they are prone to two types of HC, one of which IS late onset. However Malamutes are not (well not that studies have indicated thus far anyway).

No not at all, It's the view of my breed club.

My opthalmologist would rather people didnt just in case though.

Right OK, so in breeds where there are two types and they have the genetic marker for just the JHC but not the late onset (as in my original post), and the dog in question was cleared of JHC but not cleared of late onset, in your opinion, would you feel it was ok to breed from this dog ?

The club state that 'Breeders should not knowingly breed from any stock that has known and proven hereditary diseases' - we are debating whether this particular cataract is hereditary or not.