Heavens that's a difficult one, blind and deaf is a challenge - I hope he is able to overcome it though. Poor wee mite, he has been dealt a blow hasn't he

Hope it works out well - very glad he didn't go to that home

It must be a terribly hard decision for you, one I wouldn't envy to be honest. My thoughts are with you xxx

There are indeed quite a few deaf and blind dogs living lovely lives and theres no reason your littl`un can`t expect the same :smt001

First thing I would do would be to have him BAER tested and eye checked by a specialist so you`ll know if there is any faint hearing or sight as it can make a huge difference in easing the worry about how to work with him even if there is just one pitch he can hear or just blurred fuzziness for seeing with - you won`t really know without tests

If he is completely deaf and blind, there are certainly things you can do to make life good for him, like using one scent per room so he can find his way around easily, floor vibration to guide him toward you, a vibrating pet pager, [ not shock collar !!!!! ], for training and guiding, and this nifty blind dog aid, a dog hoop, which is shown with easy directions for making one :

http://www.blindpets.com/harness/index.htm

I do firmly believe that if someone breeds a dog which may be worrisome to home because of a born disability then the breeder really should take responsibility for looking after them for life but if you find a suitable experienced home then that would be no different to selling a perfectly able pup to a client of course :smt001

If he does stay with you, there are resources we can come up with to help and if you do find someone special for him see if you can get them to join Dogsey too so we can see how he gets on and can be available to them collectively if we are needed

Re the noises he makes, as Danish Pastry and someone else said, [ can`t remember who without re-reading the thread, sorry ], no they can`t hear the noises they make but they can feel vibration inside their ears from making sounds, and learn to associate their own vibrations with responses ie when my deaf dogs bark at the door, the door gets opened.
So to them when they `re-create` the vibration `feeling` it triggers a response, [ from me, another dog, whatever ], and so they can still use it to communicate.
Some can even regulate volume of bark or a whine depending on the learned responses / triggers - and sometimes we can think they are hurting physically or mentally when its simply that they are communicating a sound which they don`t know they are making, they are simply eliciting something which causes a feeling which is usually followed by a response of some sort.
Don`t know if I`ve explained that very well, living with multiple deaf dogs its something second nature to me to live and work with but not to try to explain in writing very much

Well it made sence to me........... communication through touch, i never thought of that.

The life of Helen Keller has to be given the credit for enabling us to understand the value of touch and vibration for communication, so much of what was developed through her, [ she was deaf / blind and the most renowned person known for the development of finger spelling for anyone who has`nt heard of her ], can be used with deaf / blind animals too, for training, day to day life, and amazing communication levels for a human and the animal they are working with
I don`t mean to sound dispassionate there, I just mean its not only dogs and humans who are sometimes deaf / blind. Touch and vibration communication, [ with patience on both sides of course ], is applicable for cats, horses, etc :smt001

But its a way of communication, the same as smell.

I have to agree, If it was me, there would only be two options, keep him myself, (this way I would know all was being done fro him) if I felt I could not give him a qaulity of life , I would take the hard decision, to have him PTS .

This way the responsibility rests with me(you) the breeder.

this is brilliant,you know my mind has cracked today,and i am amazed at the outcome for fluff,iv been on the phone all evening,talking to a couple,denise and carl who works for the uspca,he called and i took his number,and his wife called back,they have experience in this and will call tomorrow to see if they are suitable for fluff or charlie as he will be called if i think there suitable,they ahve agreed on a contract,and i can visit and call anytime so im hopefull,but he will be well looked after,i had another call from a fella who suppose to work for the uspca,and as i suspected no such thing,carl was checking him out.he was saying theres a programme coming on bout,dog fighting.
well however he was saying his cat came to him when he stamped his foot he came through the vibrations on the floor,i will mention that test tomorrow patch to see how much visablility he does have it sounds what he needs,i will sort out his contract tomorrow,patch and thanx everyone for the out pouring of love and support for fluff im so very gratefull.

This sounds very hopeful, I hope these new people are genuine and will take good care of the wee fella. He is such a gem and put here for a reason to enrich somones life and teach them something i'm sure. x

Some tips here, its mostly about blind only dogs but has some very useful tips for blind / deaf which are applicable

http://www.blinddogs.com/tips.htm

Lovely heartwarming story here, with a video - if you click on the vid you will see a short sponsor advert first then it will continue after a few seconds to the news story showing a gorgeous blind and deaf doglet - no one can tell me he is`nt a happy little chap - and he can have walks on lead like any other dog which many may not realise deaf / blind dogs can have

http://cbs3.com/local/local_story_180180910.html

Useful site here which explains about textures, touch cues [ commands ], training etc for deaf / blind dogs

http://www.pawstoadopt.com/blindanddeafdogs/index.html

Various resources here

http://angelvest.homestead.com/links.html

Variation on the hoop which is made to order

http://angelvest.homestead.com/

Lovely site here, experiences of an owner, the vids are great for showing how mobile a blind / deaf dog can be - I think perhaps many people think they would be too scared to move around - the vids here illustrate that they happily run around and play too

http://deafaussies.blogspot.com/

Those will hopefully make you feel less worried about quality of life expectations for your littl`un ZoeyBeau1

Toni- I agree with Eunice. At least you would know in your heart that you did the best for him possible having seen for yourself the care he received. And if I have learned anything with my Femka, do not give up if there is a still a chance you could give a quality of life.
I have no idea how to train with blind and deaf. Have you had the pup seen by a optomologist? Maybe something can be done to give partial sight maybe? If I remember right, there is a vibration collar that is sold for a deaf dog to get attention other than hand signals. I am not even really sure if those were the details on the collars, but that might be an option to help was the basics of life. ..