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26-07-2010, 09:23 PM
I think people all need to chill out on this if you dont mind me saying so.
Every few weeks or so on here there is a thread on this. Someone decides to start a thread entitled "Designer Dogs", or "Another crossbreed" or whatever and so it starts.
For what it is worth, as the owner of a much loved cockerpoo I find much of it nonsensical.
First, I get offended by the term 'Designer Dog'. It conjures up mental images of Paris Hiltonesque bimbo's carrying dogs around in handbags because they are the latest fashion accessory.
Believe it or not, many of the owners of 'poos and 'doodles are caring and responsible owners, who spend time and effort training and looking after their dogs to make them happy, healthy and properly socialised.
I am not saying that owners of these dogs are any better than the owners of any other dog, but neither are we any worse, and the labelling of our dogs with this term is in my mind both unfair and insulting.
Maybe I am being over sensitive, but considering the almost constant scrutiny of it on here it's hardly surprising.
There is horror at the mere thought that these dogs are referred to as a breed. God forbid any of us should utter the word in public!
Never a day goes by without me getting asked what breed of dog Bobby is, and my reply is always to say he is a cockerpoo.
Yes, I know he is not a recognised breed and I knew that before I bought him, but when people are thinking or talking about dogs they often automatically use that term, as opposed to type, mix, make-up or anything else.
There was a post by someone (apologies, I can't remember who) who was commenting on a lady who had two cockerpoos and couldn't handle them. The implication in the post was that because of the mixes of poodle and cocker, they were unmanageable, and that she had been told they would be easy to handle.
Obviously I don't know the breeder she got them from, or what she was told, but neither do I know how much time and effort had been put into training them.
People on here and elsewhere will have read similar stories about Akita's, GSD, Border Collie's or whatever. being bought by people who, quite frankly, shouldn't be thinking of having a dog.
Should all breeders scrutinise who they are selling their dogs too? Undoubtedly! It doesn't always happen though and the problem isn't just with breeders of crosses.
I know on here there are lots of people who love and care for their dogs, and it doesn't matter what they look like or what their ancestary is. There is a vast wealth of knowledge to help and educate fellow dog owners.
That's the way it should be, without comments or implied criticism about people choosing a particular type of dog.
Personally I think it would be great if this forum did what some others have done and ban this topic from being debated.
It would allow people to ask for information on 'poo's and doodles etc, but could not be used as an excuse to just vent disapproval or criticism.
I'll keep my fingers crossed while feeding a treat to my wonderful 'designer dog'!
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26-07-2010, 09:30 PM
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26-07-2010, 09:34 PM
They love the banter about Designer Dogs and they dont care who they upset.
It also keeps the forum busy.
I have got better things to do now and it just proves to me they aint gonna stop.
So they can talk to each other about Designer Dogs because i have had it with them.
Well best go and walk Gucci and Coco
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26-07-2010, 09:36 PM
Originally Posted by montysmum 
What beautiful 'poo's, and a great post too.
I think people all need to chill out on this if you dont mind me saying so.
Every few weeks or so on here there is a thread on this. Someone decides to start a thread entitled "Designer Dogs", or "Another crossbreed" or whatever and so it starts.
For what it is worth, as the owner of a much loved cockerpoo I find much of it nonsensical.
First, I get offended by the term 'Designer Dog'. It conjures up mental images of Paris Hiltonesque bimbo's carrying dogs around in handbags because they are the latest fashion accessory.
Believe it or not, many of the owners of 'poos and 'doodles are caring and responsible owners, who spend time and effort training and looking after their dogs to make them happy, healthy and properly socialised.
I am not saying that owners of these dogs are any better than the owners of any other dog, but neither are we any worse, and the labelling of our dogs with this term is in my mind both unfair and insulting.
Maybe I am being over sensitive, but considering the almost constant scrutiny of it on here it's hardly surprising.
There is horror at the mere thought that these dogs are referred to as a breed. God forbid any of us should utter the word in public!
Never a day goes by without me getting asked what breed of dog Bobby is, and my reply is always to say he is a cockerpoo.
Yes, I know he is not a recognised breed and I knew that before I bought him, but when people are thinking or talking about dogs they often automatically use that term, as opposed to type, mix, make-up or anything else.
There was a post by someone (apologies, I can't remember who) who was commenting on a lady who had two cockerpoos and couldn't handle them. The implication in the post was that because of the mixes of poodle and cocker, they were unmanageable, and that she had been told they would be easy to handle.
Obviously I don't know the breeder she got them from, or what she was told, but neither do I know how much time and effort had been put into training them.
People on here and elsewhere will have read similar stories about Akita's, GSD, Border Collie's or whatever. being bought by people who, quite frankly, shouldn't be thinking of having a dog.
Should all breeders scrutinise who they are selling their dogs too? Undoubtedly! It doesn't always happen though and the problem isn't just with breeders of crosses.
I know on here there are lots of people who love and care for their dogs, and it doesn't matter what they look like or what their ancestary is. There is a vast wealth of knowledge to help and educate fellow dog owners.
That's the way it should be, without comments or implied criticism about people choosing a particular type of dog.
Personally I think it would be great if this forum did what some others have done and ban this topic from being debated.
It would allow people to ask for information on 'poo's and doodles etc, but could not be used as an excuse to just vent disapproval or criticism.
I'll keep my fingers crossed while feeding a treat to my wonderful 'designer dog'!
Personally, I can't see what the problem is
I once owned dogs that could be seen as being ''designer'' dogs they were often discussed here, and still continue to be, I don't have a problem with that & never have done.
If you loved your ''breeds'' as much as you all profess to you would only be too happy to help people asking questions - asking questions is human nature, would you rather people didn't ?
It's always nice to beable to give the pro's and cons of owning such dogs, you just have to put your own feelings aside and help where possible. Banning the debating/taking/chatting about certain types of dogs is verging on ridiculous, we might as well stop talking dogs altogether if that is the case
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26-07-2010, 09:36 PM
However, when a topic keeps coming up every few weeks, as this one seems to, I just wonder what is being served by it?
By and large the same comments and views are made, I doubt if anyone really learns anything from it, and all it seems to do is raise peoples hackles (pardon the pun!), on both sides of the argument.
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26-07-2010, 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by montysmum
I am not against having a debate on anything.
However, when a topic keeps coming up every few weeks, as this one seems to, I just wonder what is being served by it?
By and large the same comments and views are made, I doubt if anyone really learns anything from it, and all it seems to do is raise peoples hackles (pardon the pun!), on both sides of the argument.
These threads are actually fine until certain people turn childish and throw personal insults around because they aren't getting their own way.
People will think negative of any type of dog and will want to discuss it so lets just ban talking about breed alltogether
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26-07-2010, 09:46 PM
Originally Posted by Laura-Anne
But i think thats the point. It doesnt need to specifically go anywhere. They are cross breeds. They are breed one ped to another as we all know. No-one seems to want to devlope it. I think thats the best thing for this type of dog because its trying to reach a standard which leads to culling and dumping of puppies and no one wants that. These crossbreeds are being sold as they are.
The problem is I have only seen good experiences from these dogs because the people I associate myself dog wise with are responsible owners and would only purchase ethically and have received everything they have wanted from the breeders and the pups they have brought up.
If people want a hypoallergenic dog by a ped that these crosses are being bred from is the easiest answer.
As has been repeated on various occasions there are no standard for these crossbreeds. Correct they're crossbreeds there will never be a standard for a crossbreed and i dont see them being developed into anything else. Majority are bred f1.
My mum wanted a cockapoos after seing my OH 3 cockapoos (all relatives of each other from different litters). The 3 in relation to each other are all very similair looking. Heres a pic. One is slightly more poodle looking, one slightly more cocker, one pretty much a complete mix of the two. Heres a pic of them. They have such fantastic natures and are very well trained.
My mum got her pup from another breeder. They fell in love with her as soon as they seen her after looking around for a very long time. As soon as I saw the pic of her said she is very very cocker and to be aware of this, she may not have much poodle. They didnt care they love her even though it was the curly coat that initally got them interested. They werent interested in a poodle. Heres a pic of her with her litter mates and how she looks now. Shes the one with the white muzzle propping herself up
And here she is now with my Totts.
As you can see she has more of a wavy coat. Fact is my parents dont care they knew she was a cross. I have said she may have a slightly more curly adult coat but they want to keep her puppy coat for as long as possible and fair play to them. Just shows to them it doesnt matter she wasnt exactly as they had seen in other cockapoo but they love her nonetheless and any good owner should be the same. So its educating people and weeding out the bad breeders.
But thats all based on purely my experience.
They're lovely.
Tbh, if people know what they're getting, or could be getting, have done a lot of research, have found a breeder who health tests etc, then thats not an issue to me, even though I still think that there isn't really a need to breed them, with all the breeds out there, if the only reason is for a pet, thats just imo though.
My problem is, and always will be, with those people that are the direct opposite of the above. Those who lie and decieve people about the dog they're getting, those who can't be bothered to research what they're getting, then dump it in rescue when it doesn't turn out right for them. Those who sell dogs for money and nothing else, and those who buy the dogs because they're in fassion.
It seems that it is now the turn of the cross breed to be exploited by the greedy and the idiotic.
On a lighter note.
Why cockerpoo, why not cockerdoodle,
come on, I'd have far more fun calling them the latter, esp if I owned one, though that probably cos I've got a terrible sence of humour sometimes. Well, it can't be worse than bullsh1tz can it?.
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26-07-2010, 10:01 PM
Originally Posted by Nicci_L
Personally, I can't see what the problem is
I once owned dogs that could be seen as being ''designer'' dogs they were often discussed here, and still continue to be, I don't have a problem with that & never have done.
If you loved your ''breeds'' as much as you all profess to you would only be too happy to help people asking questions - asking questions is human nature, would you rather people didn't ?
It's always nice to beable to give the pro's and cons of owning such dogs, you just have to put your own feelings aside and help where possible. Banning the debating/taking/chatting about certain types of dogs is verging on ridiculous, we might as well stop talking dogs altogether if that is the case
I will chat till the cows come home about Bobby - be warned!!
I was never suggesting that talk, exchange of info and general chat about these (or any other dog) should be banned - that would be ludicrous.
This thread was started by someone who seemed to ask a genuine question and just a general chat about a tv programme. It was refreshing to see to be honest.
Unfortunately, and perhaps inevitably, people started to not talk about the tv programme, but make comments like "Because they are mongrels and I don't agree with them., Any money for them is silly money or I'm slating people who buy them because without demand there would be none.
I appreciate that this is a personal view, but I do not see this sort of comment being made against any other dog on here, only about these particular types, or against any other dog owner.
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26-07-2010, 10:09 PM
Originally Posted by tazer
They're lovely.
Tbh, if people know what they're getting, or could be getting, have done a lot of research, have found a breeder who health tests etc, then thats not an issue to me, even though I still think that there isn't really a need to breed them, with all the breeds out there, if the only reason is for a pet, thats just imo though.
My problem is, and always will be, with those people that are the direct opposite of the above. Those who lie and decieve people about the dog they're getting, those who can't be bothered to research what they're getting, then dump it in rescue when it doesn't turn out right for them. Those who sell dogs for money and nothing else, and those who buy the dogs because they're in fassion.
Couldn't agree more. It is a shame that a) some people dont think long and gard about all the implications of getting a dog, and that some breeders aren't as ethical as they could be.
It seems that it is now the turn of the cross breed to be exploited by the greedy and the idiotic.
On a lighter note.
Why cockerpoo, why not cockerdoodle,
come on, I'd have far more fun calling them the latter, esp if I owned one, though that probably cos I've got a terrible sence of humour sometimes. Great Idea!! I think from now on that is exactly how I will describe Bobby
Well, it can't be worse than bullsh1tz can it?.
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