two wrongs do not make a right. as I said association.

Its the "brigade" bit and the other crap you have come out with!
Like:
snobbery Tally ho!!!!! what what!!

And you call me childish prat


OK if you insist!

Err speaks for itself

Forget research Ive given you proof, do the same for me. Show me where it say the health and wellbeing of the Red Fox is better now the ban is in force.

It is snobbery imo and they do say tally ho and blow horns (whats all that about.

How am i saying 2 wrongs make a right?!
I am saying that the hunts i know do not kill their hounds. Categorically. So not all hunts are the same.
I am a dog owner. Some people beat their dogs but i don't so like i said, you can't say "guilty by association" jsut because i am pro something?! Am i therefore guilty by association that some other dog owners beat their animals or put them in fights? No. It just doesn't work like that!

That is not the same and you know it. You wont convince me otherwise.

Elaine, have you actually ever been on a hunt?
Yes, there are some hunts where the vast majority might be posh but there are just as many where the vast majority are poor, hardworking farmers. You are doing yourself an injustice by throwing the social class card in. Are you saying you hate the upper class? With the hunting ban the rich haven't been affected, they will go and find another hobby, it's the country working people at the bottom end who have had their livelihoods affected.
Yes they do blow horns - have uyou ever tried communicating to several dozen dogs and riders across miles of fields? Shouting doesn't work!

Yes OH was a Shepherd. I have just asked asked him and yes they did, at times take lambs.

I am not trying to convince you to change you stance on hunting, you are perfectly entitle to your view, but you can't be so narrow minded about other people's views. All i am saying by my point here is that you can't lump everyone in together.
Let me illustrate this one more time.
I am pro-hunt but the hunts i have had experience with do NOT kill their dogs. In fact i am not aware of any around my area who do but i could not say it categorically. But there have been some who do. I do NOT support this so do NOT support those hunts but i defend the right to hunt foxes.
Which is just the same as someone being a muslim and defending their right to be a muslim. But some muslims are terrorists. Doesn't mean that all muslims are terrorists or support terrorism.

Does that make it clear what i am trying to say?