Gnasher - is that what you think you are doing, making a difference? It's perfectly fine to be honest and state one's case but why do it in a way that offends other people? You only succeed in alienating the very groups whose minds you might wish to change?



Again, people are intelligent enough to form an opinion without sitting through animal torture. I know full well that you care deeply about animals - I know what you have done for Tai for a start. It's admirable that you care deeply about animals but you might want to spare a thought for the people - also animal lovers - that you are upsetting with your words. You won't change anyone's opinions by trying to coerce them with harsh words and whilst it is members of your kind that are engaging in such disgusting practices, it is not every member of your kind doing so. People are not all bad.

If you - or anyone else - wishes to watch the video, that's fine and dandy and up to you. Just as it is nobody else's concern if others choose not to.

Yes it is, but that does not mean it has to be personal and attacking. I love a good honest debate, but they seem to quite often turn nasty.

I geuss that as usual Dawn, this is aimed at me. For me i will always try to treat people as i wish to be treated and try to live the best life i can with kindness. It does not mean im imature or nieave or that i can not have a good debate.
But your comments just reiterate my point, calling me names pink and fluffy etc, why?

Signed, I never watched the video its oo cruel... barbarians!!
Have cross posted to BUA forum too.

yes, she is entitled to her opinion but is she entitled to offend people? should we just sit back and not speak out about it?

and she got personal and nasty first.

I feel that she judged others and she stated that, Gnasher decided to turn the thread to other topics and not just stated her opinion but felt the need to ridicule, belittle and patronise people at the expense of enjoying herself and tried to add controversy to matters on this thread. So even on this thread alone, she was more than expressing her opinion. She decided to judge others for not watching the video and followed up with her sarcastic and pathetic remarks. So if you are feeling so sorry for Gnasher I suggest you go back and read this thread again and see it was more than an opinion she stated.
I have come to the conclusion she is actually enjoying herself on here and the stuff she writes on here is to get attention as everytime she is asked to clarify something she changes tacts, so therefore trying to continue the debate. Which I find so pointless and have stopped conversing with her.


Gnasher her self states she is being controversial and does not think she has been bullied so your first remark and after is in defence of someone who doesnt even believe that is the case.

Some have, this one seems to have stuck mainly to the point I have seen much worse on here and no one say anything, but now you waste your assistance on someone that does not even think she has been bullied

NOOOO !! You miss my point COMPLETELY !! I am trying to say that I don't care a fig what people think about me, and using as an example the famously "crinkly" and very un-PC person Winston Churchill to illustrate why being this way, being different, swimming against the flow, etc. etc., should be nothing to be ashamed of, and indeed even desirable. God forbid I should COMPARE myself with such a great person!

Thank you for your kind remarks about Tai . This may sound very harsh, but I am not sure I care too much about upsetting people! I am sorry, and I have apologised, but I care a shedload more for those poor animals. Unlike us, they do not have the choice "to press the ignore button". I am fully aware that not all people are bad, but you have to admit that animal cruelty is more common, certainly in this country, than cruelty to children ... something else I of course abhorr. We are of course talking about China in this thread, not the UK, where I am sure the odds are not so at variance.

Business ... no. Concern? ... I would say yes. I am concerned, concerned that people who I KNOW are as big animal lovers as myself cannot bring themselves to at least watch a little bit, that would be enough quite frankly as it is so horrific. Sorry if this upsets anybody, but it's how I feel.

You sound like a schoolchild ... "well, SHE got nasty first" ... so there !!

really !!!

Emrad : you said: " ...and have stopped conversing with her".

This is actually the most intelligent thing you have said yet ... you don't like me or my points of view ... great, your entitlement, and you have stopped conversing with me. End of story. The correct thing to do if someone upsets you ... just ignore them.