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Originally Posted by
Ramble
Hi Wys
The kelpie was muzzled and made to sit by the owners side...made being, if the dog was standing it's rear end was pushed down. If it became aggressive (which it did) the bloke told it off (at one point yelling 'you're not going to win' or words to that effect) and the dog had to put up with him stroking him in a sit.
The man was very wound up and had to leave the dog at one point (just after he shouted at it). The dog, didn't make any progress in that situation, it remained aggressive and still didn't follow the sit command.
The reaining was taken on the day after that to some lead work, where the dog did okay, but muzzled, it still didn't sit though, had to be forced into it. The following day, the dog was handled and walked without the muzzle and the man had gloves on. It bit him.
It was a VERY tough case for Rob.
I know little about handling dogs that are aggressive like that.
It had been to classes, seen other trainers and behaviourists, had even been to puppy socialisation classes. It was EXTREMELY aggressive towards the owners and I am surprised that they had not been more hurt in the past.
i really don't want to comment too much on that one as my experience is limited. I do believe however, that Joodee's suggestion of TTTouch is a brilliant one and someone else handling it as well. I also believe that asking a handler to handle an aggressive dog, when the handler is wound up and fearful, isn't a great idea, but i suppose there were restrictions in place on this programme.
Hi Ramble (can't quite get used to calling you that, yet, but will do soon I'm sure
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Thanks for that.
I think someone said - was it Spot? - the dog had been hung before the programme, presume that was before anything to do with the programme. Not sure if that has any relevance, or exactly what did happen, but it could possibly explain how the dog has been trained in the past, (only surmising here, of course) in which case the dog could well be hand shy and therefore aggressive, simply due to previous training. Lack of exercise and mental work can also be bad for Kelpies as Willow mentions in the other thread; BCs can be the same, they can make their own "work"if not given some, and get very stressed, too.
Dogs who are overly stressed, for whatever reason, often can't hear because a different part of their brain takes over. The reactive part is to the fore, the thinking part takes back seat, which
may explain the dog not sitting (presume it did normally sit?).
Of course this isnt always the case, but it sounds like it in this situation.
I don't think this dog should have been on the programme, as Rob and owner would have been under pressure - not good. If the dog bit the poor handler again on the last day, it's simply learnt more and more that it can bite. Practising the behaviour will ensure the dog gets worse, not better...3 days is nothing when it comes to this kind of aggression. I'd also want a
very thorough vet check on this Kelpie to rule out any concerns of a medical nature which could be causing extreme reactions.
Wys
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