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04-03-2008, 07:30 PM
As the tummy is one area through which a dog disperses heat so might help him if that were free`er of coat, how about a close trim starting under his throat, chest, an underneath, with the sides softy feathered to make a natural looking `join` as it were, [ have`nt feathered there on the pic below, my software is too basic unless I outlined individual hairs lol ], then the underneath of his britches trimmed out leaving the outer visible layers long, an the thicker coat along his back just thinned out a bit for better air flow ? [ again, could`nt tweak pic to show how those two areas would look, hopefully you`ll get what I mean though ].
I think maybe doing those bits would give him the comfort factor he needs, especially for the tum area, but without changing his overall look drastically ?
*The white would still be there, just shorter, which again I could`nt show effectively with such a quickly done very basic picture tweak
Please feel free to ignore of course, t`was just me musing that`s all
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04-03-2008, 07:41 PM
Originally Posted by Patch 
Been playing with a bit of photo tweaking, [ just a quick job, so please excuse the grass not matching properly lol ], hope you don`t mind
As the tummy is one area through which a dog disperses heat so might help him if that were free`er of coat, how about a close trim starting under his throat, chest, an underneath, with the sides softy feathered to make a natural looking `join` as it were, [ have`nt feathered there on the pic below, my software is too basic unless I outlined individual hairs lol ], then the underneath of his britches trimmed out leaving the outer visible layers long, an the thicker coat along his back just thinned out a bit for better air flow ? [ again, could`nt tweak pic to show how those two areas would look, hopefully you`ll get what I mean though ].
I think maybe doing those bits would give him the comfort factor he needs, especially for the tum area, but without changing his overall look drastically ?
*The white would still be there, just shorter, which again I could`nt show effectively with such a quickly done very basic picture tweak
Please feel free to ignore of course, t`was just me musing that`s all
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04-03-2008, 07:42 PM
Originally Posted by Patch
Or Becky could have posted sooner before I started playing with the pic which would have saved me from embarrassing myself by giving such a lousy description
This is one of him a wee while after being totally clipped off and a prime example of what I don't want, lol!
ETA: No idea why his neck resembles that of a giraffe's!
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04-03-2008, 10:01 PM
Originally Posted by Patch
Because for some dogs that is the case
And for some dogs they are just plain uncomfortable with lots of coat, including a white one of mine who really suffers in hot weather - until his coat is clipped off all over - and yes, extreme care taken to not let him be out in the sun at the hottest time of day and yes making use of sunscreen for dogs
Sorry patch dont agree with chopping dogs fur off. Its also weird to me that a white dog would suffer in the heat, Samoyeds seem to manage fine.My vets have always preferred to give advice of how to make sure clipped dogs are kept safe from sun and heat exposure, its more productive than just despairing
But when they see the dog, its too late isnt it! They can offer advice but not unless they are asked BEFORE the owner has it all chopped off!Wet Coats are brilliant, the ones I have for Defa and Fluke are double layer fleece, which when soaked keep nice and damp and cool underneath regardless of the water evaporating off the top outer layer.
They do need to be regularly checked for topping up of course. In the hottest weather the ones I use tend to need a top up, [ fresh soak ], every three to four hours, [ that`s when at a Show so out and about all day ].
I agree with you on a soaked towel not being ideal because of evaporation, they are single layer and usually too loosely woven to be of any real benefit even if doubled over, thats why a double fleece wet coat is much better. If using a towel or t-shirt, they have to be pretty constantly soaked or will backfire by water evaporating too quickly as you rightly point out.
People often forget as well that when soaking a dog to keep them cool, whether paddling pool or river etc, they must`nt be allowed to then run around in the sun as they will dry too fast and temp will increase.
A soaked dog should be taken to somewhere shaded with a good breeze, [ or use a magazine or whatever as a fan ], or a cold air fan used to ensure they don`t dry out too fast - putting a soaked dog straight in the car without using a fan will make the dogs temp shoot right up for instance, just the cool fan of the vehicle itself is`nt enough, they would need something like a powerful crate suspended fan or better still , [ if at home ], a hair drier on cold air setting.
Ah but if sooo affected by neuter then the coat presumably isn`t as nature intended so may need intervention to thin it back to more natural state
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08-03-2008, 06:04 PM
My Spanish have extremely thick woolly coats, they don't suffer in the summer with it. My Pomeranian's also hve thick coats.
Not getting at this poster but I do sometimes feel that it is our own perception of how the dog is reacting rather than how the dog is actually feeling.
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08-03-2008, 06:33 PM
Tufty bits on the top of their heads are stripped out, ears are trimmed short,around their ear & over the ear, feet are trimmed short, feathers on legs brushed through & thinned. On the hind legs trimmed from foot top hock. Knickers brushed through & thinned out & tail "tidied". The old hair on the body is stripped esp if its on the dogs sides,then given a BIG groom with a comb to get all the old hair out.
they always look good after!
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08-03-2008, 06:43 PM
Originally Posted by perrodeagua
I'm sorry but I'm another like Borderdawn!
My Spanish have extremely thick woolly coats, they don't suffer in the summer with it. My Pomeranian's also hve thick coats.
Not getting at this poster but I do sometimes feel that it is our own perception of how the dog is reacting rather than how the dog is actually feeling.
My others keep their normal coats whatever the weather, because they don`t suffer like Willow does in the heat. When his coat comes off, he`s his usual self. When full coated in hot weather, he`s not a happy lad at all.
I had one other dog in the past whom I clipped for the summer, she was a cross breed, half Poodle, and her mish-mash of two coat types clashing, [ clashing for her that is, I don`t mean aesthetically ], meant she was also more comfortable without it in hot weather
Strangely, my dog who copes best in hot weather is black, yet of all of them, [ my others being all or mostly white ], she should find it the worst, but then I`ve never been one for having `normal` dogs anyway
We have to bear in mind also, even things we take for granted like central heating or other types of heating are `unnatural` in terms of what a dogs coat is designed for, and many breeds live in countries with climates completely different to the coat type their breed benefits from in their country of origin, so sometimes a dog now and then just does`nt cope well as a result of such factors
[ ps, off-topic, one of my Agility students has a new pup - a Spanish Water Dog - I`ve seen the photo`s already but I`ll be getting to meet pupster properly soon, after second jabs are out of the way
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