if this interseting experiment, as you put it, gives people knowledge and the dog is helped by it also then it can only be good for dogs.

if this interseting experiment, as you put it, gives people knowledge and the dog is helped by it also then it can only be good for dogs.

You guys don't change do you.

I didn't say that I didn't know how to check sje was in seaso. Regardless, she could have been spayed weeks later, however we decieded not to.
You are right one litter does not qualify a proper experiment, however I did it, it is done, I enjoyed it, I can't see myself doing it again, and I am excited by the prospect of watching and recording the development of my pups.

This thread was intended to discuss the exciting prospect of raising super pups without issues. But I think have lost my enthusiasm with you guys.

Hope it is alright to put this in here... I feel it has great importance in the behavioural section, to help more people understand the significance and importance of early stimulation and learning before pups leave for new homes.

It surprises me that such old and genuine research is ignored, because it is so vital. I see many problem cases with dogs between 10 months to 2 years old, which my my opinion could have been prevented.

A border collie foster dog of mine was picked up late at night, in the latter days of her season (I was not told or aware) and in the morning she was tied to my border collie resident. She had severe seperation problems at at only a year and a half had already had, and destroyed, 3 homes. After lengthy discussions we decided not to abort, as it might be calming for her (different hormones etc) and this has proved true, although in the past two months she has been a very different dog with me anyway (and is happily left without injury to herself (she self harmed) or my house).

I knew vaguely of the bio-sensor program and the research that had been carried out through 1930's-50's including the military's experiements creating the 'super dog'. I started some more indepth reading and combining this research with the research done by Assistance dogs, and you come to a conclusion that work can begin with pups, but rarely does, at 2 days old.

My vet friend and I will be writing for the local press, in the hope that we can raise potential puppy buyers awareness, and stop breeders leaving pups and mothers just to get on with it in a barn etc, as we have evidence, and lots of it, of what happens to pups not exposed to stimuli until leaving at the critical age that is 8 weeks.

If anyone is interesting in the program I can send on some interesting reading, otherwise there is a shortened version, along with 2 day old pictures of the pups, on my website.

Interested to hear your thoughts or questions,
Jess.x.

Ramble can you talk us through, what you obviously think is important for this discussion, how seperation issues come to be please?

p.s.
also she HAD separation problems (you said 'has'), I have never had the issue with her, but then 99% of the dogs I foster have issues caused by the people who had them, not the dog themselves.

I would also like to say you guys have offended me deeply by your words, that are compeletly off topic. She was not mated on purpose, there was a good reason for keeping it going, an extra for me was having the experience of a litter. There are many many people out there doing worse everyday, yet you choose me to pick on. Shame on you all.