I'm glad you've been able to come to a decision about a way forward. I bet it's a load off your mind.

I am so sorry that you lost your dogs madmare. You must have been heartbroken. Especially as you were trying to protect them by vaccinating.

Yes thanks. I do feel a lot clearer about what I need to do. Sometimes it is so difficult to make a decision but it helps to know what other people think.

I suspect the posters on this thread are too close-minded and are a lost cause.


BUT

1. Vaccines are safe, all of them.

2 Data repeatedly posted here suggests a 1 year efficacy for lepto - I have repeatedly asked those who disagree to post evidence. It gets remarkably quiet at that point.

3 MMR vaccine - any GP who recommends it is not required is potientially negligent. There have been outbreaks of measles in the UK and Germany. 2 have died as a result.

4. The whole anti vacc hype in both humans and dogs started as a result of A Wakefields study suggesting that MMR was linked to iBD and Autism. It turns out that:

1. A Wakefield had the patent on a single measles vaccine. He needed to discredit the MMR vaccine

2. The data on which he based this study was faked. Not just wrong but rewritten to support a predefined conclusion.

3. The data from studies trying to support or refute this link has brought one interesting fact to light. MMR is protective against Autoimmune disorders.


Thats it the whole antivacc movement is akin to a religion and has no basis in fact at the moment. A wakefield and his followers in the human field and the veterinary field have blood on their hands as they have directly lead to the deaths of people and dogs as due to lack of vaccination.


If you think this rant is OOT - tough. Your advice on this thread is potientially fatal for both humans and animals

Thanks for this link. Very informative. This is something I keep wondering about, do I or don't I ......

I am not against vaccinations - as I dont think the majority of people on here are
I have the puppy vacs done

I am against overvaccination
and I have yet to see a study that says the vaccines need boosted EVERY year

all studies I have seen have indicated that dogs are protected for far longer than 3 years, and in many cases for the life of the dog

I therefore feel it the safest for my dog to CHECK his need for vaccination using titer testing at 3-4 years of age, and if he needed it I would then get him vaccinated

I am not on any religious bandwaggon here, I have read the studies and can see no reason at all for a annual vaccination

That is my decision based on the evidence I have read

and it was based on some of that evidence that most vets have moved from annual vaccinations to 3 or 5 yearly vaccinations

How come? Surely the point of vaccinating is to give immunity. And if I find my dog has immunity then why would I vaccinate again?

My GP did not say it was not required. He gave me information on which I based my decision. It was my child and my choice.

I am not close minded at all and if a dog needs a vaccination because its immunity levels are low and there are no health reasons to suggest otherwise then I would highly reccomend it gets done. people who don't vaccinate and who don't titre test either are in my opinion fool hardy and are then playing with thier dogs lives which yes I will admit to doing many many years ago.
The two dogs I lost are the only two I had boostered each year without fail and after losing them I wanted to research it all thouroughly which i did and spoke to many vets over the internet and face to face which is when i discovered titre testing. I didn't want another dog I owned to ever suffer like those two did while we were trying to save them.
I proved to myself which is enough for me about the lepto vaccine when I titre tested a fully vaccinated dog 11 months later and there was no immunity at all to lepto so I revaccinated for lepto and 6months later titre tested again and there was so little immunity there it was barely traceable and vaccination was reccomended on the sheet that come back from the lab. This led me to realise that if my dog was not covered 6 months later then by 3 months it must seriously diminishing from the system so what use would yearly lepto vaccs be. Also there are many strains of lepto and the vacs only covers against a few of those for that very short time.
Dogs used to be vaccinated for everything every year but even the vaccine companies themselves have now admitted this is not necessary. So all those years millions of dogs were over vaccinated.
Its up to owners to make thier own decision for thier dogs but I do feel that vets should make all dog owners aware that there is a test they can have done first to see if thier dog actually needs the booster.
I won't comment on MMR as I have no knowledge on it and have not looked into it.

That's not a valid comparison, after all MMR vax are not repeated at any stage of the human life are they ?

That's what they told my father, however his healthy dog died at surgery within three hours of being vaccinated with his annual Lepto booster. A PM revealed that the Lepto vax caused his death ! Also the Lepto vax doesn't even cover all the serovars of Lepto here in the UK & only actually lasts around 6-8 months !

No dog should be vaccinated without being titre tested first (& of course only 100% healthy dogs should be vaccinated.) If my Dad had only listened to me his dog would have been subjected to a painful early death

I know in the Netherlands the practice is to titre test before every vaccination