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Shona
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29-07-2008, 08:24 PM
I have to say, I like my pups indoors that way I can see each pups personality,, some have a stronger personality than others, with rotties I feel you have to place pups in the right homes with the right sort of people,, so knowing your pups inside out is helpful,
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29-07-2008, 08:41 PM
Don't think the place of breeding has anything to do with anything; it is the breeder that is the important factor.

If a breeder is a good breeder the very best will be done for and put into your pup, if the breeder does not know what they are doing or do not care then they can be brought up in a luxury home and reared on caviar and still be badly reared pups. Being born and reared in a house or home does not necessarily mean they are socialised nor calmly or carefully introduced to the frightening things that can happen in a home.

Being born in a home that uses kennels for the older pups does not necessarily mean they are not socialised or that they have not been introduced to the noise and hazards of the home.

After all not even home bred pups will spends the whole time in someone’s sitting room they will still need to spend time in a pen outside for fresh air and exercise and some may think that kennels are safer.
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02-08-2008, 08:35 AM
My opinion would be home bred only.

I think it is cruel to keep dogs in kennels, they are pack animals and instinctively want to be with their family/pack.

I also don't think it's a good start for a pup to be brought up in kennels. It's impossible for them to get intense socialisation and human interaction if they are mainly raised outdoors.

I would certainly advise a buyer only to purchase a pup from a good breeder who raises their pups indoors and keeps the adult dogs as family pets.
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02-08-2008, 09:12 AM
Assuming (all things being equal) that the breeder is top notch, (after all, if they are not, it is unlikely to be the best combo of parents and health care may be poor etc etc) I would go for home bred every time. As Shona says understanding the temperament is vital for correct placement, and socialisation to family life and noises, as pointed out, cannot happen in a run.

I have pretty firm views on large numbers of companion animals (as distinct from working) being kept in kennels as breeding stock in any event. This is often how it is in Europe, for example, the top kennels in Finland are very large affairs indeed...Ilo's immediate ancestors were all kennel dogs. This is not how the breed was developed though - originally living in close contact and working for their humans, they crave that proximity.

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02-08-2008, 09:28 AM
Originally Posted by MaryS View Post
I have pretty firm views on large numbers of companion animals (as distinct from working) being kept in kennels as breeding stock in any event. This is often how it is in Europe..........
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Sadly it's not uncommon in this country either
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02-08-2008, 10:56 AM
Originally Posted by Paddywack View Post
My opinion would be home bred only.

I think it is cruel to keep dogs in kennels, they are pack animals and instinctively want to be with their family/pack.

I also don't think it's a good start for a pup to be brought up in kennels. It's impossible for them to get intense socialisation and human interaction if they are mainly raised outdoors.

I would certainly advise a buyer only to purchase a pup from a good breeder who raises their pups indoors and keeps the adult dogs as family pets.
Sorry I can't agree with your statement.

As I said in my earlier post I don't think it matters whether kennel or home bred. They can in my opinion still be socialised.

It is I think more important to rersearch your chosen breed and the breeder of your future pup to make sure they are ethical and reputable. and do all health testing this to me is more important than wheher home or kennel bred.

I have had pups from both kennel and home and found absolutely no difference between them.
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02-08-2008, 11:45 AM
Originally Posted by lovezois View Post
Sorry I can't agree with your statement.

As I said in my earlier post I don't think it matters whether kennel or home bred. They can in my opinion still be socialised.

It is I think more important to rersearch your chosen breed and the breeder of your future pup to make sure they are ethical and reputable. and do all health testing this to me is more important than wheher home or kennel bred.

I have had pups from both kennel and home and found absolutely no difference between them.

I agree with Paddywack. The time slot for socialisation is so small that the process needs to start as early as possible. If pups are expected to live in a home environment why start them off in a kennel environment. Even with the best will in the world, being in a kennel means that they miss out on the experience of living in a home. IMO bringing them in once or twice a day is not enough. Although you have had dogs from both you can't say that it made no difference as you do not know what you kennel raised dogs would have been like if they had been raised indoors.

I would only ever have a pup from a home environment.
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02-08-2008, 11:57 AM
My puppies are all born and reared in the house, in fact the whelping box is always at the side of the computer. All my dogs live in i couldnt imagine them in kennels. having said that one of my best friends had her's in the kennels adn brings them inside for a few hours a day to socialise them and her puppies are always happy, healthy and well reared.
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02-08-2008, 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by catrinsparkles View Post
I agree with Paddywack. The time slot for socialisation is so small that the process needs to start as early as possible. If pups are expected to live in a home environment why start them off in a kennel environment. Even with the best will in the world, being in a kennel means that they miss out on the experience of living in a home. IMO bringing them in once or twice a day is not enough. Although you have had dogs from both you can't say that it made no difference as you do not know what you kennel raised dogs would have been like if they had been raised indoors. I would only ever have a pup from a home environment.


As regards the highlighted part of your post it works both ways neither can you say how home raised puppies would have been if they had been raised in a kennel. So sorry I don't accept this statement

Have you personally had experience of having a puppy from both? I only ask because I wonder how you can come to this conclusion if you have never had the experience and the same goes for paddywack , If you have not experiencesdit then you are only going on hearsay.
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02-08-2008, 12:12 PM
Originally Posted by lovezois View Post
It is I think more important to rersearch your chosen breed and the breeder of your future pup to make sure they are ethical and reputable. and do all health testing this to me is more important than wheher home or kennel bred.
I think all this is important.

There's no point in buying a pup from unhealth tested parents just because they're kept indoors, neither do I believe you should buy a pup that is kept outdoors just because the breeder health tests.

I think rearing them indoors and health testing (with excellent results) is what buyers should be looking for, amongst other criteria.
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