good post morganstar.............The positive has to be taken from this CKCS owners will insist on health certificates I think its will open the eyes of people buying and those breeding

your right but its a good start
I would never buy anything thats inbred i am hoping the pet buying public will ask more questions than they used to

Epilepsy can usually be controlled effectively with daily medication. In addition you should never hold down a dog when it is fitting (like the man in that vid did) - just move it to a clear area so it can't hurt itself.

AS far as the shape of the GSD is concerned, all I can say is last time I was at the Seiger there were at least three dogs in the adult class who looked to all intent & purpose similar to the dogat Crufts & who were working dogs that is they did not hjave to do their working qualifications because they actually worked full time as sheep dogs so they were obviously bot compromised by their top line.

I totally agree with this - TBH I think it is disgusting that this ruling hasn't been brought about before now. It is ridiculous that people can breed from a dog that they know has a hereditary disease that will pass to it's progency

That Cav breeder disgusted me - she knew her dog could pass this on and disregarded the Vets advice and bred anyway. The only reason I can see for this is pure profit-mongering

I was utterly appalled to hear that the breed club condoned "culling" (what a callous terminology )of ridgeless pups. Surely there would be plenty of people happy to take on a Ridgeless puppy. If breeders were so concerned about not wanting them bred from they could put a clause in the puppy contract!!

I too cried at that, it broke my heart hearing that dog scream and seeing it thrash around. Truly heart-rendering to see - as was the Cavalier screaming in pain because it's skull was pressing on its brain

I really think it is of paramount importance that there is a rule change for breeding dogs. It should be made clear that ALL dogs MUST pass health test for diseases/defects that are known to plague each breed and only healthy stock bred from.

This is the only way to progress forwards surely?

Well there are Cavalier breeders who scan & only breed from clear dogs & I've just found one & I've known of her for ages but assumed wrong that she had Blenheims-she doesn't she had solids & yes she outscrosses. So I'm keeping my fingers, toes, knees & everything else crossed that the bitch is scanned clear & the intended father is & they get together in the near future !! Not only that but she also has a BC & a Beardie Cross(rescue)

She has been scanning since it was first made available !!! & has always heart & eye tested her dogs

Surely these dogs had to be in the HGH class & not the Open dog class I've just looked at 15 years of Sieger catalogues & the only dogs with the HGH qual were in the HGH class & all the Open class dogs had Schutzhund quals

What worries me is if we stop registering puppies that are from untested litters we run the risk of pushing these people underground and making them harder to keep an eye on.
I seriously believe education is the way to go. By education I mean puppy buyers and not breeders who are aware of the implications.
As some of you know I've just had a litter and all the boys sold straight away. I sent a list to all the people who enquired with questions to ask the breeders and a list of answers to expect. I also gave them the web address of the main club and told them to read the health page and tried to stear them in the right direction
I think this is what the KC should be doing.

im not an expert but I do knwo you get naturally docked Brittanies and boxers but wouldnt know how to start even thinking about breeding for a shorten tail or even if its possible.
Perhaps Pod can explain it later.

Yes, it was quite a simple, though long term process, to introduce the bobtail gene into the Boxer by crossing with a bobtail Corgi. Bobtail is though a dominant trait and the homozygote, that is an embryo carrying two copies of the bobtail gene, dies in utero. The result of this is that all dogs that show the bobtail trait are also carriers of normal long tail, so the long tail can never be bred out of the breed.

And recently we have had the news that the German Boxer Club have, with the FCI's approval, changed the standard to make bobtail a major fault. If this is brought into the UK standard too, the whole thing will have been in vain, at least as far as the show Boxer is concerned.