So is that clicking when hes not around dogs at times he is calm? Then working that into seeing dogs at a distance?
Sorry
That is def it, ive been so keen to try something that ive tried it all too quickly now were both confused, not good for either of us xx

Click for name resonce & for him ust to be relaxed & happy, use ALOT of food , as this will also calm him down, then you start to click to counter condition him to other dogs, using the clicker & manipulating the food into mimicing calming signals, (i use food on floor, approach in serpintines & curves, circles etc) for both dogs & because you are taking control of this situation & guiding him through it he will build confidence in you.

shame you arent nearer cardiff, prob too far for you to come?

Poor you. It sounds liek you have tried loads and been really committed to helping your dog - well done!

The clicker training for calmness sounds a great idea - definatly worth investing some serious time and effort into!

Your dog is still very young - the habit can not be to massively ingrained as there simply hasn't been the time for that. In my view, there is great hope at the end of your particular tunnel.

If you try the clicker stuff for a good deal of time and it doesn't work, then feel free to get in touch with me and I will try to help in other ways. Remember though all these methods take time and sometimes lots of it. Stick at something a good while before you give up on it.

We have a great deal of experience with dog to dog aggression cases, using a variety of techniques, including multiple stooge dogs and group walks. But my starting point too would be clicker work which in itself can be of massive benefit.

I wish you all the very best of luck, commend your obvious commitment. Good luck.

I would travel anywhere to help him Mish, just let me know
Thank you so much xx

Thankyou for the kind words
I will def try the clicker work he is so willing to get things right, it just seems although he wants to, he has such high anxiety levels he just cant, i will research and try it and am feeling excited that one day we may get there xx

Awwww ((((hugs)))) I feel for you, Cain is reactive. However I have to say, your post has made me reassess, Cain isn't nearly as bad as poor Sam sounds. But I can relate to the stress and the tears and the reactions of non understanding dog owners making you feel like a piece of dog poo on their shoe because your dog isn't a super friendly bouncy perfect lab! And you sound like you've tried so very hard, well done for all your effort, many lesser dog owners would have given up ages ago.

I'm still working on Cain so I'm in no position to give advice really. However I know Ben McFuzzylegs often recommends a book call Click to Calm, which sounds like it might help you if you want to try the clicker thing.

Good luck, keep going and let us know how you progress x

Thankyou xx I was feeling at the point of giving up ( ) now i feel i have something else to work on i feel alot more confident, i know i need to work on my own approach and thicken my skin to those non understanding dog owners! i am going to order that book now!
Its amazing how much better a Dogsey rant can make you feel!
xxx

I`m sorry it`s getting on top of you. I`ve had Razzle for 9 months and he isn`t ready to go for walks yet, so you`ve done well to get this far.
You could phone Andy and have a chat? He`s very good and might be able to offer a suggestion. (Tell him it`s Daisy that used to go to Norty Dogs Club at Brentwood ) phone no on his website. http://www.dtce.co.uk/
I`d be happy to offer Daisy as a stooge dog - she`s bomb-proof now with other dogs because most dogs in all the antisocial classes we went to are dog aggressive and she just look snootily down her nose at them. In one excercise all the dogs were lined up at a distance while they took turns walking slowly past. Daisy silenced the lot with a glance and ambled past unconcerned. of course, she was the only bitch. So if you`re ever in Essex and fancy a walk, give me a pm.

Thank you, you may regret saying that as i will travel
I dont know why its got me so down at the moment ,its been going on so long and i thought i'd been so positive, but i just cant seem to see any positives anymore for him i am so happy i started this thread, im starting to look on the bright side again xx

Can you try and make a list of his improvements? Maybe he's not come on with socialisation yet but has he improved in other places? Sometimes Cain gets me down but the other day I was thnking about all the things he is better at now

he doesn't whine when I leave him
he's stopped following me to bed at night and settles alone
he doesn't knock the bowl out of my hand, sits nicely and waits
he's stopped heat butting me, jumping on me and yapping for attention
he greets most people nicely and let's strangers in the house
he is doing well with his training
he trust me to do anything with him
he barks at the window less
he still pulls, but less.
He is still focused on other dogs but doesn't do his bucking bronco impression and whining anymore

All these little annoying things he did have disappeared until I stopped without me really realising. Take the time to stop and think, he must have improved with something. Maybe your focusing on the socialisation too much and missing other progress?

Failing that, think about what other positives he had

Cain is a hilarious, clutzy, attention seeking little sod bit he makes me laugh!
He's always there when I need a cuddle
he's always happy and ready to play

after losing my Moon suddenly and far too soon, I learned a hard lesson in taking my dog for granted. I always expected Moon to live to old age, not to get snatched away from me by illness far too young. The time we have with them is short. Despite Cain's flaws, i would be without him. And I contstantky remind myself that his behaviour is nit his fault. Humans broke him and now it's up to humans to fix him.

You are Sam's special human and you will get there with him. Take some time to reflect on the positives, they are there! Once you realise them, you'll find renewed strength. You are doing such a great job, don't give up x