Classic Well said :smt002

You know there are a lot worse things being done in our country. Never mind puppies being docked,if our government were minding their own business doing what they do best. (sfa) May be we would be living in a better place not just for us but society in general.

A very good point Becky.

There are worse things going on you are very right, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't act on things that we perceive to be cruel.
There are worse things going on than antisocial behaviour, does that mean the police shouldn't crack down on it?
To say there are worse things going on, sorry, don't see the relevance??? I'm sure the pups don't either.

yep i totally disagree with puppy farmers,and as do most if not all people on here,but as you say its there right to choose to be one,
yes they should have the right to be what they want to be,and it doesnt stop us not understanding there right to bea puppy farmer in there opinion,i suppose there argument is i have to make money,i have to feedmy familiy.in our opinion we do understand it from the dogs point of view.


also in imo if all breeders of docked breeds gave up breeding there chosen breed,in xmany years the gene pool will be alot smaller,for those breeds,im all for docking in my choosen breed,and i dont feel the need to justify my opinion,boxers dont look like boxers with a tail,they suffer tail damage,like alot of other breeds do,once again the animal rights protesters have won,im all against cruelty against animals and dont believe docking to be cruel if done correctly and mother nature didnt write the breed standards book humans did only to back down when the going got tough,

Mother nature did give dogs tails as `standard` loooong before humans started lopping them off

It's been shown in other countries that have banned ocking, that whilst there may be an initial decline in breeders of traditionally docked breeds, it does soon sort itself out.
But boxers are now docked purely for cosmetic reasons aren't they?
Any dog can suffer tail damage, any dog can suffer an eye injury, any dog can suffer damage to their claws/pads/leg...doesn't mean we should chop them all off though.
So what does constitute cruelty then?
Docking causes pain to the pups, there is no pain relief given, the majority of docked pups are docked purely because some humans think they look better without tails? How, out of interest, is that not cruel? Sorry to be so blunt, but I just don't see how it isn't cruel?
I think that you'll find that the vast majority, if not ALL MP's are not animal rights protesters, each side was able to express their opinion before any legislation was passed. The MPs made the decision (and were VERY close ot a total ban in England and Wales...one day...)



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No she didn't. She had far more sense, she gave dogs a Beautiful part of their body, which enables them to communicate with other dogs and helps in balance and countless other things. She's a wise thing mother nature and as a world we need to start paying a lot more attention to her.

i totally understand everyone argument in tail docking,the fors and all the againsts,maybe us pro dockers will come around in years to come,im not so stupid to know the goverment will revirse there discison,i know they wont,yes mother nature is a wonderfull thing ,she gave us animals and without them we wouldnt be sitting here debating docking,when i first started breeding boxers i hated docking,i saw they many ways of docking and the ways of doing the docking preformed now,and got used to it i suppose but i will give up boxers when the ruling comes to ireland,imo i prefer them with no tail,iv mopped up the blood from a bitch with a tail because the pups kept chewing on her tail,iv mopped up the blood when play fighting she got it munched on,but iv come to believe they are boxers with no tails and look xbred imo with a tail,however iv always liked the english bull and northern ins and when the kids grow up and leave home i will have other breeds aswell,my oh wouldnt stand for me having them now

I'm pro docking. There has been many a thread on this issue where I have made my feelings known. I am disappointed with the outcome, but I will continue to have weimies. I love them for so much more than their lack of tail!

I feel it is unfair that I will never be able to show and work my dog. I feel bad for the people who choose to do so and keep their working dogs' tail, and I would be interested to see how much the result of severe tail injuries increases in working dogs after this.

The new law makes 'show dogs' even more superficial. Already many dogs bred for show cannot perform the original jobs in which they were bred for, and differ sufficiently from their working counterparts. I can only see this problem getting worse as the law will only deepen the divide of show/worked dogs, and the differences between them will increase tenfold. I was always happy that in my breed the working dogs and show dogs have no major difference, infact most top show dogs in weimies are also working dogs.

I feel that as such breeds are not bred for tails, the best of standard dogs we have now may carry genes for absolute rubbish tails, and I think it will be some years before we have the quality standard and health of dogs that we have now, WITH good tails also. People could start putting in rotties with bad hips for e.g., if it has a 'good' tail. This concerns me about the future health of many breeds in the process of breeding for good tails.

Many breeds have NEVER had tails, and the breed created with the intentions of docking, so how do you change that fairly and 'decide' what kind of tail the dog 'should' have, when it has never had one?

I personally am for the banding method, I have never ever seen a pup hurt by the banding method, they are totally oblivious. Imho there are so many more problems with dogs the government should be concerning themselves with, but cannot be bothered with too much hard work and money (e.g. banning puppy farmers, introducing and policing dog licences), this is just a quick fix that makes them favourable to the anti docking folks, which unfortunately are in the majority.

As for dew claws, my own dog has ripped his badly a few times, and he doesn't even work!

And Dachshunds.....don't get me started....

Well said cheers for the support,i too aint afraid to say i think they look better docked.I also would object to anyone saying i was cruel to dogs, as docking should be left to the experts.Also i agree it was the human race who messed about with the breeds look at all these crazy x breeds its only a matter of time before something goes wrong if not already but you dont get the kc or the government threatening bans on them. Imagine a wee dachund mated with a mastiff giving birth.I know this is a bit extreme,however they have the right to do this,but i dont have the right to dock if i wish to do so.