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31-12-2011, 11:03 AM
Originally Posted by smokeybear 
As for temperament, I often wonder how many working line dogs of particular breeds some people have actually MET?
That is, of course, a generalisation based on the dogs I've met and not a definitive statement.
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31-12-2011, 11:47 AM
Etta's litter was bred and illegally docked in order to pay for the son of the farming family to go abroad. Before anyone asks---I did report them to defra. Not because I want revenge----I just don't want them to breed again and find it so easy and so lucrative. Ben was bred and sold to the wrong people---the breeder said he would rather the dogs were either trialled and worked propery or in front of a fire being pet dogs. He didn't want them knocked about on a farm with people who had no idea how to treat them. That makes sense but fell down a bit in Ben's case----be interesting to see how his baby sister gets on as a pet. Polly was farm bred and went blind---PRA I would imagine. Netsa (collie) also trial bred went blind early, Saffy was ISDS and passed on a few times before she landed her.
So don't tell me I don't know about 'working' bred dogs or their problems or how irresponsible their breeders can be.
Two wrongs don't make a right!
rune
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31-12-2011, 11:53 AM
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31-12-2011, 11:55 AM
Originally Posted by Loki's mum
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I know many people think you can't achieve type, temperament and health but it can and is done by many top kennels in the UK.
My current two dogs reflect this.
Brains, Beauty and Temperament; perfect!
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31-12-2011, 12:03 PM
Yes it is possible to breed for brains, beauty, temperament and health.
Good breeders are doing their best to achieve this and are successful most of the time and take the aoppropriate action on the few occassions Nature throws you a googly.
That is good breeder wether they are breeding for show or working.
The RSPCA's campaign seems to think that the only bad breeders are those that are breeding for the show ring.
And all the while the puppy farmers are rubbing their hands with glee.
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31-12-2011, 12:45 PM
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31-12-2011, 02:02 PM
Originally Posted by Jackbox
Yet its always the "show" breeder that gets it in the neck!!
Not the genuine concern for the health and welfer of dogs.
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31-12-2011, 04:51 PM
Research by the animal charity revealed many people believe pedigree dogs and puppies are healthy, quality animals that come from good breeding stock.
However, the dogs, which are primarily bred for their looks, are vulnerable to unnecessary disease, disability, pain or behavioural problems.
RSPCA senior scientist Claire Calder said: "Everyone needs to be aware of the serious health and welfare problems affecting pedigree dogs and that dogs bred for looks are born to suffer.
"A cute-looking puppy or dog can be hard to resist, but the result of not looking beyond this can be thousands of pounds spent on vets' bills and a pet with long-lasting health and welfare problems. This is one of the biggest challenges facing dog welfare in the UK today."
A survey commissioned by the charity found dog buyers are not doing enough research before getting a new pet.
Pollsters asked 2,127 people what they associate with pure-breed or pedigree dogs. The top six responses were that they are expensive, well bred, from good breeding stock, quality, responsibly bred and healthy
Victoria Stilwell, presenter and dog trainer from the TV show It's Me Or The Dog, said: "I have nothing against dog showing and nothing against responsible breeders.
"But what I do have something against is breeding animals just for the way we want them to look, even though that animal is compromised both physically and, a lot of the time, mentally. So we have to change. Why are we destroying these animals just because we like the way they look?"
The RSPCA is launching a campaign, Bred For Looks, Born To Suffer, in order to raise awareness of the issue.
Meet a french bulldog puppy that would be better off if he didn't "lead with his eyes" & had more of a nose. He's still young, Maybe he'll grow into his eyes and his nose will grow a bit though.
Aunt's Datchs would be better off if his back was shorter & his legs a bit longer (or chest less deep) there's the whole fashionable wrinkles thing etc.
People are strange.
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