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14-03-2008, 04:00 PM
Originally Posted by myschievous 
With the amount of complaining some people do I think they should worry about their own hot air damaging the ozone.
There is far too much generalization in this thread and others like it. All the people who own trucks could say to sports car owners that they don't and can't use them for what they are intended...I.E what is the point in owning a car that can go so much faster than any speed limit when it's speed can never be utilized without danger and breaking the law. Or what's the point of a crotch rocket that can do 180mph.
If your worried about snobs owning 4x4's - a snob is a snob no matter what type of vehicle they choose to spend more money on, than the rest of us can - what's the difference if they are in a new model BMW or such like or a top of the range 4X4? They will STILL look down on you. A snob is irritating what ever method they use to flash their cash.
P.s: lol @ the taxing of cow farts [mentioned earlier]
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14-03-2008, 04:59 PM
Originally Posted by myschievous
With the amount of complaining some people do I think they should worry about their own hot air damaging the ozone.
There is far too much generalization in this thread and others like it. All the people who own trucks could say to sports car owners that they don't and can't use them for what they are intended...I.E what is the point in owning a car that can go so much faster than any speed limit when it's speed can never be utilized without danger and breaking the law. Or what's the point of a crotch rocket that can do 180mph.
If your worried about snobs owning 4x4's - a snob is a snob no matter what type of vehicle they choose to spend more money on, than the rest of us can - what's the difference if they are in a new model BMW or such like or a top of the range 4X4? They will STILL look down on you. A snob is irritating what ever method they use to flash their cash.
P.s: lol @ the taxing of cow farts [mentioned earlier]
Some are snobs, some are wannabe's. I really don't mind being looked down on if that's what they want to do, but if some of them would learn to drive (so they can park properly, obey the rules of the road and have a bit more courtesy) that would be a bonus! I probably wouldn't notice their lack of all of this if they were in something a bit smaller and insignificant, but when they're in my face in a great big tank it does get up my nose! So do a lot of things though, I'm one of those grumpy old women! 
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14-03-2008, 05:24 PM
all i have posted is relevant to the original post, so what is your problem.
perhaps it is ok to insult me though
i am not alone in my opinion of 4x4's
quote from The Sunday times
There is an academic campaign to establish that 4x4s are unsafe. Students from Imperial College London have watched cars at key sites in the city and discovered that drivers of 4x4s are more likely not to wear seat belts, and to use mobile phones while driving. Other studies have shown that 4x4s are more dangerous to pedestrians. Car insurers have said that 4x4 drivers are 25% more likely to be involved in an accident and are also more likely to be at fault. Each fragment of evidence is turned into a screaming headline about the iniquity of 4x4s.
These cars have become emblems of all our environmental crimes. They represent 7.5% of the UK car market and 100% of British car loathing. The very idea that in town, or even in the country, anybody should use a car in which all four wheels are driven is regarded as a crime comparable to logging the rainforests or clubbing seals.
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14-03-2008, 05:27 PM
Originally Posted by jenny tamworth
Malady the original post said Jeep Drivers hated why????
all i have posted is relevant to the original post, so what is your problem.
perhaps it is ok to insult me though
i am not alone in my opinion of 4x4's
quote from The Sunday times
There is an academic campaign to establish that 4x4s are unsafe. Students from Imperial College London have watched cars at key sites in the city and discovered that drivers of 4x4s are more likely not to wear seat belts, and to use mobile phones while driving. Other studies have shown that 4x4s are more dangerous to pedestrians. Car insurers have said that 4x4 drivers are 25% more likely to be involved in an accident and are also more likely to be at fault. Each fragment of evidence is turned into a screaming headline about the iniquity of 4x4s.
These cars have become emblems of all our environmental crimes. They represent 7.5% of the UK car market and 100% of British car loathing. The very idea that in town, or even in the country, anybody should use a car in which all four wheels are driven is regarded as a crime comparable to logging the rainforests or clubbing seals.
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14-03-2008, 05:29 PM
same report
Last week's research was no better. Three locations in central London were chosen as a starting point for a driver behaviour study.
Students were positioned on three street corners, observing bad driving habits for an hour, three times a day. Now I hope these people will have been familiar with the eclectic mix of 4x4s, from the smallest Suzuki to the largest Range Rover. But somehow I doubt it.
The results claimed to show that 4x4 drivers wear their seat belts less and use their mobiles more while driving. Finally, in a giant leap of logic, researchers suggested 4x4 drivers must be over- compensating for driving safer cars. Guaranteed column inches.
I have no doubt that Imperial College is home to some serious researchers, doing very important medical work. But this would not seem to be the case here.
The approach to the research mirrors that used by many in the anti-car lobby, most notably the Alliance Against Urban 4x4s. In fact it seems so familiar that one starts to wonder whether the pressure group has someone working on the inside.
One thing has come from this. No longer are 4x4 haters hiding behind a cloak of poor design. The car is not the problem' it's you the driver. Not so much an issue of greener motoring as some pressure groups have claimed, more a question of green-eyed motoring.
The car is not the problem, it's you the driver. It's not about greener motoring, but being green-eyed
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14-03-2008, 05:32 PM
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14-03-2008, 05:32 PM
Originally Posted by jenny tamworth
Malady the original post said Jeep Drivers hated why????
all i have posted is relevant to the original post, so what is your problem.
perhaps it is ok to insult me though
i am not alone in my opinion of 4x4's
quote from The Sunday times
There is an academic campaign to establish that 4x4s are unsafe. Students from Imperial College London have watched cars at key sites in the city and discovered that drivers of 4x4s are more likely not to wear seat belts, and to use mobile phones while driving. Other studies have shown that 4x4s are more dangerous to pedestrians. Car insurers have said that 4x4 drivers are 25% more likely to be involved in an accident and are also more likely to be at fault. Each fragment of evidence is turned into a screaming headline about the iniquity of 4x4s.
These cars have become emblems of all our environmental crimes. They represent 7.5% of the UK car market and 100% of British car loathing. The very idea that in town, or even in the country, anybody should use a car in which all four wheels are driven is regarded as a crime comparable to logging the rainforests or clubbing seals.
Never have I heard so much tripe in all my life.Talk about blame the 4x4's I for one would take all that cods wallop with a pinch of salt,xxxxxxxxxxx
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14-03-2008, 05:37 PM
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14-03-2008, 05:44 PM
Look out, Governator Schwarzenegger! Snorri is coming for you!
Snorri
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