I don't think that even the most dedicated veggie is going to allow himself or herself to starve to death Emrad! If they are literally dying of hunger, they would kill with their bare hands.

OK, maybe my analogy of the cat and the wren family is not a good one. Let's assume that like me, you have a daughter ... if some low-life scum raped your daughter, are you telling me that you would not want to do some kind of physical harm to him if you had the chance to? I believe revenge IS blood lust ... if someone hurts your son or your daughter, your revengeful feelings are blood lust ... an overwhelming desire to physically hurt that person.

There are options of native fruits and vegetarian matter to eat even without civilisation. If people are literally dying of hunger in third world countries why are they not eating each other???? They see that as unacceptable.
I think we have a different interpretation of blood lust, I see it as senseless killing, for fun not out of necessity. As for my daughter (which I dont have) I would be angry and who knows what I would resort to but to me that again is not my interpretation of blood lust. To do something to an innocent for pure pleasure and for their own gain makes it blood lust and so morally wrong to me, for necessity to live I see it as survival and purpose To get a nice bit of fluff on a coat is just so wrong and the greed of it all is repulsive.

Just an example of how other countries can help reduce the practice and through petitioning made the country they live in stand up and make a decision and there are many more with statistical evidence to show countries refusing to allow the end product so the shelves reduces the practices so less animals will suffer at the hands of these 'people'
http://www.hri.org/news/europe/midex...-05.midex.html

Gnasher, please don't seek to impose you 'values' on others or presume you know how another person would react in a given situation.

I can tell you now I would not discover any hidden 'bloodlust' if I had to survive without the supermarket.

i don't know why you feel the need to resort to rudeness whenever someone challenges your views. obviously if you agree with foxhunting, you are not going to say 'oh yes. we actually enjoy seeking out, hunting down, and then tearing apart an animal'. to be honest i would have more respect for you if you did.

i have seen hunt footage and really, with google at our fingertips there is plenty more footage available. no-one needs to be ignorant these days. and no-one actually needs to attend a hunt to know what goes on.

i can only think that you feel the need to justify something that is cruel and unnecessary because you maybe feel some shame in being part of it.

if you honestly believe that every fox hunted down and killed is done so in a second, then you are seriously deluded.

This is a pointless and fruitless (no pun intended!) discussion ... I am purely making an analogy here, I didn't think I had to dot the i's and cross the t's !! Let's assume for whatever reason there are no edible plants ... we are back in the days of pre-farming, when there would have been a few berries, fruits and nuts to eat at special times of the year, but otherwise we were meat eaters. I am merely saying that the veggies would not remain veggie for very long ... otherwise, they would be dead.

Cannibalism is a completely different story ... it is a no-no in all societies simply because if you eat the flesh of your own kind, you will end up with dreadful diseases and madness - akin to feeding cows to cows causing Creutzfeld Jacob disease (sorry, I don't know how to spell that) ... nothing to do with the rights and wrongs of eating your own kind. If it were perfectly OK for human to eat human, with no ill effects, then humans would eat human meat rather than die.

To say that if someone raped your hypothetical daughter you would be angry is just such a ridiculous understatement as to be unbelievable !! If your mother or other female relative were raped then, the rage you would feel, unless you are made of stone, would be all-consuming and murderous. It would be an instinctive response to the harming of someone near and dear to you, and is purely natural and should not be sneered at. It is part of what makes us a particular species of animal known as homo sapiens.

That isn't bloodlust either. Bloodlust is a desire for bloodshed. I don't see that given your scenario, if someone who was starving to death made the decision to kill and eat an animal, they would desire the blood of that animal on their hands.

Fine, you are a super human being then, so far advanced above the rest of your own species then that you would most likely never survive in a situation where society fell apart, and the world as we know it now was no more.

Of course they would !! Clearly, you have no idea of what it is like to be hungry, really, really hungry. I don't, but I can imagine.

Gnasher, do you not understand that we are all different? I think we can surmise how we would feel now, in advance and knowing our daughters/mothers safe but unless one is in that situation it is hard to be sure.

For instance, while someone might be baying for said rapists blood and go off and shoot him dead/batter him to death without a worry, someone else might be considering that if they did that, they would probably be locked up and the daughter would have no mother to pick up the pieces.

What I'm saying to you is that people react to different things in different ways.