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28-05-2010, 02:56 PM
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Maybe in the US, but not here, the "Staffordshire Bull Terrier " is a well established breed, that has been registered in our Country for generations... it is what it says on the tin a SBT , no one in the UK would mix the two up..
Yes they would and KC registered SBT's have fallen victim to the law and been seized under the DDA.
Many people in the UK can't tell the difference between a purebred SBT and a Pitbull.
Neither does it help the SBT when certain programmes discuss Pitts and show footage of Staffords.

They are two different breeds however I disagree with people mixing them up,even the authorities do and experts still argue even now as to what constitutes a Pitbull and it's type.
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28-05-2010, 03:00 PM
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Yes they would and KC registered SBT's have fallen victim to the law and been seized under the DDA.Many people in the UK can't tell the difference between a purebred SBT and a Pitbull.
Neither does it help the SBT when certain programmes discuss Pitts and show footage of Staffords.

They are two different breeds however I disagree with people mixing them up,even the authorities do and experts still argue even now as to what constitutes a Pitbull and it's type.
Yes point taken, I should have said they are as you say two completely different breeds one well established her in the UK and one no,
In the US, not so sure , as they seem to be (the Staffie) that is , under the same guise as the pit??
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28-05-2010, 03:04 PM
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So you would happily hand over your dogs to be killed then if implemented?
You not reading my posts !!!

The question was asked, if the Boxer was suddenly added to the banned breeds... I would not buy another after the ones I have died, so I would have no need to hand them over.

As with those who owned APBT`s when the law was implemented.

I would abide by the restriction set down , as they where when the law came into play...many many yrs ago.
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28-05-2010, 03:14 PM
Could someone answer a genuine question for me please,pre1991 before the DDA and banned breeds was legislated against,how many fatal attacks were attributed to Pitts ?

How many after the DDA came into force ?

How many innocent "family pets" have been murdered because of what they looked like,not because there behaviour was a cause for concern ?
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28-05-2010, 03:16 PM
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You not reading my posts !!!

The question was asked, if the Boxer was suddenly added to the banned breeds... I would not buy another after the ones I have died, so I would have no need to hand them over.

As with those who owned APBT`s when the law was implemented.

I would abide by the restriction set down , as they where when the law came into play...many many yrs ago.
It depends what year you were in and if you didn't abide by the restrictions. For example, simply removing a muzzle in public to prevent a dog choking would and has been an automatic death sentence: http://ddawatch.co.uk/DDA_Detail_and_practice.html
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28-05-2010, 03:18 PM
Whilst fishing around I also found this:

Baker is clearly referring to the two attacks which prompted the last Conservative Government, headed by John Major and of which he was Home Secretary, to panic and ‘be seen to be doing something’. The dogs that attacked 6 year-old Rukshana Khan and bakery worker Frank Tempest in the Spring of 1991 were never caught nor formally identified – no charges were ever brought against any owners.

They were simply referred to as ‘Pit Bulls’ by the media. Baker chose to target ‘pit bull ‘type’ dogs as a catch-all; three other breeds were listed under the DDA, namely the Japanese Tosa of which there was only one specimen in the UK at the time (now long since deceased) and the Fila Brassiliero and Dogo Argentino – neither of which were present in the UK.

From the article Time To Strengthen The Dangerous Dogs Act? here: http://www.stopdogattacks.co.uk/?cat=4
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28-05-2010, 03:28 PM
Originally Posted by Snoringbear View Post
It depends what year you were in and if you didn't abide by the restrictions. For example, simply removing a muzzle in public to prevent a dog choking would and has been an automatic death sentence: http://ddawatch.co.uk/DDA_Detail_and_practice.html
If you took a muzzle of a dog in a public place to prevent it from choking, then someoen would have to report you first for the dog to be automatically seized, as from what I can remember, every pit was not given a personal escort to follow it around

I can remember a few people who had apbt in the days when the ban was implemented, all managed to keep their dogs and said dogs lived long and happy lives,
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28-05-2010, 03:34 PM
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She's the one that believes that dogs aren't descended from wolves:

Really Snoringbear sorry this is slightly off topic but can you tell me where AS says she believes dogs are not descended from wolves? That is not what I understand AS to say at all, as I understand it she says the dog is not descended from the grey wolf which it predates but another species of wolf one line of which went on to produce a kind of animal similar to the Dingo and other primitive wild dogs.

the dog’s ancestor isn’t the mighty grey wolf of Discovery Channel. That wolf didn’t exist yet when the dog began to split off into a new species — the grey wolf as he is today had yet to evolve, just as the domestic dog did.

What you need to imagine is a much smaller
animal, who had already split off from the wolf family line, some 200,000–500,000 years ago. This ancestor wasn’t a specialised hunter like the wolf is, but rather what biologists call a ‘generalist’ — an animal that is not limited to one special food source or environment, but that can adapt to various situations. This smaller ancestor probably looked somewhat like the dingo and other primitive dogs who still live in the wild today.
http://www.dogsey.com/goto.php?url=h...illyPart1.html
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28-05-2010, 03:34 PM
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If you took a muzzle of a dog in a public place to prevent it from choking, then someoen would have to report you first for the dog to be automatically seized, as from what I can remember, every pit was not given a personal escort to follow it around

I can remember a few people who had apbt in the days when the ban was implemented, all managed to keep their dogs and said dogs lived long and happy lives,
It was a passing off-duty policeman who caught it in that instance.

What makes you think that a new version of the DDA would include an exemption register anyway? There's plenty of talk at the moment to fast-track destruction within 72 hours. Have you read either of the links that I posted?
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28-05-2010, 03:41 PM
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It was a passing off-duty policeman who caught it in that instance.

One in a million, how many more off duty policemen caught people out!!?

What makes you think that a new version of the DDA would include an exemption register anyway? There's plenty of talk at the moment to fast-track destruction within 72 hours. Have you read either of the links that I posted?
What makes you think it wont??

Fast tracking the destruction order would I assume be implemented (if it became law) when one breaks the restrctions of the law concerning banned breeds.
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