thats the difference good training makes....in referance to the professionally trainined (bred?) protection/guard GSD's mentioned last few post. never thought in terms of wuss adjectives myself.
just ive worked with hundreds of GSD's in rescue, 99% of them were just gob****es whom the average visitor to our kennels was scared to walk past and labelled aggressive and/or dominant. when they were far from it and pretty much pussycats if you knew them - with the other dogs and staff and volunteers. our average JRT was way more dominant (for want of a better word) and usually rang rings around our average GSD.

btw - this is krusewalker - just noticed danish pastry has left her log in.

IMHO many of those people who claim that only certain breeds are "dominant" breeds(ie dominant over other dogs)have a belief that dogs alpha roll each other.

My dog's guarding would have been to go into protection mode & go head first to take out the leader of the attacking group. However he didn't do this he simply stood, raised his lips & took one pace forward. My other dogs also all stood up after sitting to have their leads on. I could feel the tesnion in their bodies through the leads, but they knew to do nothing whilst they were on lead.

One of the main differences between Mals & Working GSDs is that whilst they both have very high prey drive, most Mals switch off their conditioning to obey once in pursuit, a badly trained Working GSD is just the same, which is why they have to be educated from day one. Neither make good first time dogs for new owners

Most GSDs that end in rescue are poorly bred untrained dogs(the reason they are in rescue)& nothing like a well bred & trained dog. I've been involved in rescue GSDs for most of my life & TBH the type of dog that goes into rescue hasn't changed over the years, the colours have(so many"white"ones nowadays)but little else.

Totally agree, I wouldn't recommend either as first time dogs

totally........................

Its easiest usually to go to links as and when they are posted rather than ignore them when people have taken the trouble to post them in the first place.

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There is also a dedicated section on Raw feeding within the forum

HERE

Plenty there to give you food for thought
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When trying to find past posts on a thread, there is a handy function to help. At the top of a thread to the right,[ under the page numbers ], you will see :

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Click on the small triangle next to Search Thread, type in the posters name or key word, then click Go, and it will find you the relevant posts. Its a lot quicker to do that than ask people to pm you and then wait for them to see it and respond.
HTH

The problem here is that those living with dogs which do have strong pack traits are causing one or two to believe the same is the case for all dogs - it is not the case though, and is why such sweeping theories should not be applied to all dogs in all situations.
My six do not have a single heirachy structure, it is fluid, they have strengths and weaknesses in different area`s and their interaction reflects those in whatever the situation and place at that time and changes between them in the next situation / place and so on, and that is often more the case than one set heirachy and even then its not really set given that a new dog coming in changes the dynamics, a dog passing away changes the dynamics, ages over time change the dynamics, even moving house can change the dynamics, so what seems a `set` heirachy can still change at any time for any reason hence there is still some degree of fluidity

I think a lot of people fall foul of trying to enforce a heirachy which is`nt what the dogs would naturally be comfortable with ie Fido was here first so he must be boss over the new dog` but Fido might not be willing or able to take that roll and then the human has created issues which often would never arise had they not interfered

In other words, the humans perceptions of pack order are often not in harmony with the dogs preferences of pack order,[ when there is one ], between themselves.

Yeah, you're right patch, but sadly I ignored most of the off topic posts that were just trying to cause arguments, and as such, those posts got lost amongst them.

Perhaps if things weren't discussed in such condescending ways, they wouldn't have been overlooked.

Ta for the links anyway.

Oh and for the record, the post above mine is your opinion, so whilst on the subject of criticising malady's 'sweeping' posts, perhaps you could also put a note in your posts about them being your opinions based on your experience, just so that the average dog owner reading these forums doesn't make the mistake of taking what you say as gospel whilst putting someone down over their own take on things.

Just a thought matey

What did you say about you having come here to learn ?
Ho hum....


And that is exactly what you have been doing...

Well, your experiences and the ones on generic correspondence course papers anyway.

At least the experience others are offering are from actual hands on work with a multitude of dogs with a multitude of problems and involve actually understanding the dogs they are working with.

Here`s one for you : Dog is being defiant, won`t listen, has tantrums, has difficulty learning anything new, has compulsive repetitive behaviours which are unacceptable, tries to appear dominant and confident but its all bravado as the dog does`nt have the wherewithall to back up the posturing signals the dog is giving off to other dogs, so ends up feeling cornered and overwhelmed, and displays defensive aggression as a result.

How would you turn this hypothetical dog around

Agree again, it's not something to be messed around with at all, again something I feel is very misunderstood by people