Adam will YOU SHUT UP ALREADY? God every freaking thread on this training section has you peddling your torture devices. I'm getting tired of seeing this nonsense!!

<<The e collar mantra is the e collar mantra becasue its true! >>

Oh my goodness---you can't see the irony of that????

rune

I have asked the mods to close this thread, and also reported the off-topic posts. Hopefully this person will then stop trying to hack me off, which is what I assume his intention is.

Nope just to educate.

Adam

We are getting to it now--arrogant little chap aren't you? You have to be short---or if not you have a short mindset (G)|!

Must be great to know it all at 24!

rune

Yes I have never said positive punishment dosent work

You said positive reward dosent work on all dogs - I was making the point that it does

Of course punishment works - it works to supress behaviour, all behaviour
and unfortunatly people seeing dogs not doing things and think of them as good dogs - not pulling, not barking, not chasing sheep

But WHY is the dog not doing these things??
Not because you are a leader but because they are avoiding punishment

I am glad you are managing to train many dogs with positive training, and that you are flexable
- but I 100% beleive that there is NO dog who needs to be trained by being punished (positive punishment), just trainers who dont have enough imagination to figure out different positive methods

Short...or just a blowhard who's been brainwashed by some shock collar using eejit. It really is amusing (sad? scary?) how ever single shock collar "trainer" uses the same horrid excuses.