Gnasher that is not a jowl sound, that is a slap.
It seems you think CM isn't always right from your posts???

YES !! I have said so many times that I don't agree with the Shadow incident, and I know I have said before about the poor chicken.

Oh right, yes I have seen that episode a couple of times. Is that the one where CM was terrifying a poor chicken !! And it poohed on him.

I was horrified about the way the poor chicken was abused, NOT the dog !! Joking apart, I am serious about the chicken.

The dog was not slapped, struck, hit or smacked. He was "bitten" by Cesar with his trademark finger stab.

I have said frequently in the past about the Shadow episode that I WAS shocked by CM's behaviour. However, having ballsed up, he is, as pack leader, entitled to protect himself. He does this by holding the dog away from his body, to protect himself.

Hal was an alpha male. He made a mistake once with his son Woody. Actually, I blame myself, it was my fault. We were sitting outside the pub, OH, me, Hal and Woody, both dogs on leads, sitting side by side. I gave both dogs a titbit, almost simultaneously, but Hal slightly first. Woody made the mistake of lungeing at Hal's titbit, and both dogs ended up with a small nip each on the muzzle, trivial, only just broken the skin, but each dog had a slightly bleeding wound. Hal had put such insubordination down swiftly and ruthlessly. Woody submitted to Hal, and Hal sat there looking anywhere but at Woody, obviously very shocked that he had done this. It is hard to put what happened into words, because it happened so quickly, and was trivial. A dab of tea tree oil on each tiny wound, and all was well.

The point I am making was that Hal had made a mistake, his reaction to Woody was totally over the top, we had never allowed such intransigence ... we, as pack leaders, said who ate, when, or not, Hal was out of order, and he knew it. Having done the looking anywhere but at us, he lay down at our feet curled up with his tongue coming out a few times. Woody lay down beside him, Hal licked him, peace was restored. The world was at one again.

Even pack leaders make mistakes. The TRUE pack leader will learn from it, and not do it again. Hopefully CM has learned that you cannot kick a wolf cross, I am not sure even his more gentle "nudge" is appropriate. I personally would not use any contact with a wolf cross in such circumstances, but would "claim" my space with my body language. This does work well with wolf crosses. (I'm being kicked off the computer now by OH - pack leader )

Agreed, Cesar's nudge looked suspiciously like a kick. You do not kick any dog, but if you kick a wolf cross that is unsocialised and has been allowed to get away with unbalanced and unruly behaviour, you will end up possibly being bitten like Cesar. He mishandled the situation, I do not disagree, but to say that he strangled the dog until it turned was totally ridiculous and a complete exaggeration!! Dogs do not turn blue !!

You are assuming that a) the dog has a choice and b) the dog undestands the choice.
And ....If my memory serves me correctly...CM was holding the dog away from him in an effort to stop the dog biting him - after provoking the dog into the reaction in the first place

From what I could see, the dog freaked, in a scared way to an unknown sensation whilst it was in a highly tense/stressed situation (being forced to parallel walk with a dog it did not get on with). If CM was indeed using his TM 'bite' is it really surprising that the dog reacted this way to him, when it was already tense about the dog walking next to it.

Maybe not you, although tbh I am not sure, but many on this thread have said that CM strings dogs up and someone even said Shadow was blue in the face !!

If you hold onto the end of a slip leash, against which a dog is pulling, then this is NOT domination, this is the dog fighting against the discipline, for want of a better word, of the lead.

Hmmm ... you are getting close Tassle. I have said before that bearing in mind Shadow's breeding, his approach was all wrong. tbf, Cesar has admitted that wolf crosses are different from non-wolf crosses, (by that, I mean recent wolf crosses), and that his handling of Shadow was not exactly brilliant. We don't have a satellite so cannot get the latest Dog Whisperers, but I believe he has done at least one episode featuring wolf crosses, but not absolutely sure about this. I would love to see how he handles them.

As for holding Shadow away from him, too b. right !! Having kicked the poor dog, I would have done exactly the same thing ! I see nothing wrong with this, it is exactly the behaviour of a good pack leader. Even pack leaders make mistakes.