TBH I can't understand why anyone would spend £100+ on a shock collar versus £100+ on a behaviourist

Did you consult an appropriately qualified behaviourist first Gnasher?

YOU DID ... by insinuation, if not by actual word.

Apologies to anyone whose post I have not responded to - i am at work at the moment and my lb is over so i cannot carry on any more!

I don't get that. You would ignore the law, surely if that law were in place you would risk losing your dog and it being PTS

That doesn't make sense to me

Well there is no point in him wearing the collar is there? So why is he wearing the collar? Doesn't make any sense to me at all. How much in fines would you be prepared to pay just to put the e-collar on Ben?

You mentioned aggression and training I was responding to that. And you can walk away from the thread at any time or just not answer I did say earlier don't feel you have to answer if it's too personal.

I'm probably being a bit thick here but ... if this Electric Shock Collar effected a perfect recall in this dog. What's the problem now?

Surely if it was that effective in training him to perfect recall - any time it looks as if he might be going to kick off or get into trouble you just use that PERFECT RECALL that you achieved with the ELECTRIC SHOCK COLLAR (so perfect that you no longer need to use the Electric Shock Collar)

That's what recall's for isn't it? To make sure your dog comes back to you instead of going off to do whatever it wants to do and ignoring you recalling it?

Or does this perfect recall achieved by electric shocks only work when there is nothing else about that takes his attention (like black labradors?)

A little while ago I read you walk your dog with this that and the other and it is TIED ROUND YOUR BODY too? I am truly confused as to how well trained the dog is if all these precautions have to be taken.

And very baffled how you are going to use this aggressive black labrador (when you get the time to do it).

So what will be the plan of action , Bens going to kick off the Lab will too presumably , so as CM says the red mist will descend on both dogs, I would be interested to hear your solution to redirect Ben.

Yup!! THREE

No, the red mist will not descend because we will be there in control of him. The red mist only descends when the dog has been allowed to get into that state in the first place.

I will be there acting as a block between the 2 dogs, who to start with will be on opposite sides of the road in our village. We will be walking up one side with Ben on the lead and on the inside, and the BL will be walking towards us on the other side of the road on the inside, with his owner. My guess is that Ben will ignore the BL because we will keep him walking forwards and focussing on us. The confrontation will come when we are walking parallel with only a few feet between us.

If this happens, I will block Ben off from his line of vision so that he can no longer see the BL. I will get him to sit down, so that then I have something positive that I can praise him for - maybe with a piece of raw meat or liver. But ONLY if he is calm and sitting. If we can keep him focussed on us, and our commands, and not the BL, then the red mist won't descend.