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09-02-2011, 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by Tupacs2legs 
slb i havnt compared you..i was just using what you said as an example as its ap's kinda twisted logic.. dont take offence.......purleese
And SmokeyBear - a good workman never blames his tools. The idiots who abuse the tools are to blame, it is there rubbish delivery that makes the tool useless. If I had a penny for everytime I gave up on the Redlight/green light method - I'd be going to the bank to exchange it, but then the same can be said for the amount of times I have gone back to it, realising it was me that wasn't working, not the method. I have also given up on the Clicker several times, but still rely on it..I am feeling the same way for the whistle - but I realise that it is me expecting too much too soon. Dogs are not robots - for anyone thing to work for them and the owner - it needs work, surely you would know that.
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09-02-2011, 06:03 PM
Originally Posted by SLB
I know, I know, I know..but I don't use them anymore - I saw the errors of my ways and I fixed it. Sadie was never walked on a choker...just clipped onto one until I was out of sight, she was never walked on it.
I am quite upset you compare me to AP - [B]I used it to get attention on the food, not to punish. I never ever would rely on negative reinforcement to get my dogs[/B] to do anything..
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09-02-2011, 06:04 PM
They were incorrect to disallow this practice
This is one of the reasons the training courses were devised to bring consistency to the scheme.
I have seen some GHASTLY tests where people have been allowed 6 attempts at the stay, when it CLEARLY states in the guidelines that no second attempts are permitted EXCEPT in extraordinary circumstances.
That is why some of the certificates some people hold with their dogs are, IMHO, not worth the paper they are written on!
And it undermines the achievements of those who HAVE trained their dogs correctly.
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09-02-2011, 06:06 PM
EXACTLY what I said!
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09-02-2011, 06:07 PM
Originally Posted by SLB
Yes but I am in no way like you. I don't like to inflict pain...
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09-02-2011, 06:24 PM
Originally Posted by smokeybear
and I have been told by various people that you CAN'T take a good citizen test with one.
You may have been told lots of things, but I can tell you as a KC approved GC Examiner (Gold) that you CAN take any of the tests with a choke chain.
It is simple to verify, the KC produce a booklet for clubs, trainers, examiners and candidates that clearly states that NO examiner can refuse to test the dog because they do not like the collar you use! It is only £3 and KC registered clubs that administer the scheme were all supplied with these guidelines so you can ask to look at them if you cannot afford a copy of your own.
You are NOT allowed to take the test using a harness or headcollar UNLESS you provide a vet letter to explain why a regular collar is not in use.
HTH
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09-02-2011, 06:26 PM
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09-02-2011, 06:26 PM
Originally Posted by Brierley
It's a major gripe that many trainers have with the KCGC - tests can't be taken with the dog on a static harness, but can on a choke chain. Disgraceful IMHO
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09-02-2011, 06:28 PM
Originally Posted by SLB
It's because you don't have control over the dog with a harness - apparently.. But tbf I have more control over Louie's whole body with a harness than I do with a collar..
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