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lozzibear
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25-06-2009, 04:31 PM

Anyone hear about the dog amnesty in 2007?

I hadnt heard about this til a few months ago. i was shocked that this was happening in merseyside. watching 'my weapon is a dog' last night got me thinking about it again so i thought i would dig up the link again.

http://www.saynotobsl.org.uk/index.p...d=73&Itemid=39

i cant believe this was even allowed to happen. victoria stillwell comments on it...

http://www.saynotobsl.org.uk/index.p...id=69&Itemid=1

when will the owners start getting targeted instead of the dogs??

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25-06-2009, 05:09 PM
Where have you been? That was the knee jerk response to Ellie Lawrenson getting killed by her Uncle's Pitt Bull. It was high profile enough when they had the amnesty. You'd have to have been living in a nuclear bunker not to have noticed it at the time.
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25-06-2009, 06:37 PM
that dog wasnt your 'normal' dog though, apparently beefed up on steroids,
Wonder if the authorities will ever realise its the deed not the breed.
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25-06-2009, 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by sue p View Post
Where have you been? That was the knee jerk response to Ellie Lawrenson getting killed by her Uncle's Pitt Bull. It was high profile enough when they had the amnesty. You'd have to have been living in a nuclear bunker not to have noticed it at the time.
well, i hadnt heard of it till a few months ago, and neither has anyone else ive spoke to. how are they allowed to take innocent dogs and pts?

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25-06-2009, 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by gsdmad View Post
that dog wasnt your 'normal' dog though, apparently beefed up on steroids,
Wonder if the authorities will ever realise its the deed not the breed.
i wish the authorities would, its horrible that people like that are allowed those dogs, the way some of them are treated its no wonder they attack

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25-06-2009, 06:52 PM
I couldn't access the links on the first post.

I'll throw in my opinion, based on what is going on in the USA.

I think it will backfire in the long-run to fight EVERY type of breed-specific legislation.

There are too many sicko owners with dangerous pitbulls.
Many high publicity cases (and therefore a call for banning) will be inevitable.

What I would like to see:
There should be a special license for pitbulls (a broad definition).
They should be brought in for evaluation.
The good owners with their good pooches will receive their licensing.
Those who fail will have the option to do the necessary training.
Those who refuse will risk having their dogs taken away.

Accordingly, the breed will not have to banned, and society can be made safer.

However, I don't expect the pitbull lovers to go for it...they will fight ANY breed-specific legislation...and then complain when another city makes a total ban.
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26-06-2009, 01:05 PM
Originally Posted by gsdmad View Post
that dog wasnt your 'normal' dog though, apparently beefed up on steroids,
Reuben was on steroids? He was certainly abused and Kiel Simpson admitted beating and kicking the dog prior to leaving it on that fateful day but I've not heard that steroid use was determined. Do you have a source?

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There are too many sicko owners with dangerous pitbulls.
Here ^^, Dog-nut surmises the problem but then gets all twisted up when he says...

What I would like to see:
There should be a special license for pitbulls (a broad definition).
The Pits aren't the problem, it's the "sickos". Make a special licence for them and we'll get somewhere. Otherwise we can make pitbull ownership more onerous and they will just move on to another breed.

BSL doesn't work. Well done, Holland.

http://network.bestfriends.org/inter...ews/26185.html
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26-06-2009, 01:32 PM
Originally Posted by johnderondon View Post
Here ^^, Dog-nut surmises the problem but then gets all twisted up when he says...

The Pits aren't the problem, it's the "sickos". Make a special licence for them and we'll get somewhere. Otherwise we can make pitbull ownership more onerous and they will just move on to another breed.

http://network.bestfriends.org/inter...ews/26185.html
How do you practically prorpose to "license the sickos"?

By the plan I mentioned, both the bad dogs and the sicko people are selected out.

Even if you don't like my plan, that's OK....although I am curious as to its flaws.

But, if the pitbull people come up with nothing else but merely opposing all BSL. they will eventually lose with time.
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26-06-2009, 01:41 PM
i definately think something needs to be done about the owners who are treating and training these breeds so horribly, whether it be licensing the owners or dogs (even though they arent the problem it would be easy than the owners). i also think stiffer sentences for dog fighting and for any animal cruelty (not just with dogs, with any animal), the sentences just now are an absolute joke!
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26-06-2009, 03:55 PM
Originally Posted by dog-nut View Post
But, if the pitbull people come up with nothing else but merely opposing all BSL. they will eventually lose with time.
Holland seems to disprove this but broadly I agree.

BSL was introduced here as a public safety measure and it is not politically viable to remove it without having some other measure to put in its place.

http://www.petparliament.com/viewart...sid=115&aid=21
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