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Dangerous dogs sentencing consultation begins

People who breed dogs to be aggressive or used as weapons could be among those most severely punished under new dangerous dog sentencing guidelines.

The Sentencing Council has drafted new guidance for courts after maximum sentences were increased last year.

The maximum sentence for anyone whose dog kills a person will increase from two to 14 years.
More here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31913681

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tawneywolf
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17-03-2015, 10:30 AM
I think its a good idea that the breeders and trainers are being targeted, these poor dogs don't have a chance really do they if they are born in the type of environment where aggression is the order of the day.
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mjfromga
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17-03-2015, 10:50 AM
Eh, the dogs are not truly BRED to be aggressive. Newborn puppies are not aggressive, the dogs are trained to be aggressive. They are more or less just going to punish illegal pit bull owners a ton more, but worded the article as if it were less biased than that. Loving the "pit bull" photos they included, as well. At least the dogs aren't snarling.
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Jackie
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17-03-2015, 11:09 AM
Eh, the dogs are not truly BRED to be aggressive. Newborn puppies are not aggressive,
I`m afraid you are wrong on that, the parents temperament will determine the puppies temperament, you are right newborn pups are not aggressive, but they will inherent the parents temperament, and if you are purposely breeding dogs together that have dubious temperaments, you will see it in their of springs given the right environment, and sadly even if you bring them up correctly inherent traits can be difficult to train out.
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mjfromga
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17-03-2015, 12:03 PM
Fair point, but I do still stand by my statement. Neigh any dog can be ruined by the wrong type of training. You could take a fairly placid dog, and turn him into a monster with the right (wrong) type of training.

The dog wasn't born with an unstable temperament, you spoiled him. His puppies may have his original temperament, not the artificial one you gave him. In any case, not ALL the puppies with inherent the temperament of the parents.

Bad traits can be hard to train out, but LESS hard to "raise" out, which is why I said the puppies are not born aggressive. But yes, you're right... breeding dogs with bad temperaments often causes hard to train puppies with bad temperaments.
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tawneywolf
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17-03-2015, 12:10 PM
Actually I have seen for myself the impact breeding from a dog with an iffy temperament can have, and then that dog being doubled and trebled up through irresponsible inbreeding and a few generations down the line (and NOT that many either) there are dogs appearing with a not very good temperament, if that is then compounded by being bred by someone who either doesn't care or who doesn't know about the background, you've got problems. Lets face it, there are more people out there who don't give a monkeys about health testing, never mind temperament, than there are people who care.
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Azz
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17-03-2015, 01:05 PM
About time breeding was targeted - 'bad' dogs usually result from bad owners and bad breeding... something many of us have been saying for years - nice to see them finally taking notice
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Dibbythedog
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17-03-2015, 06:05 PM
Saw that on the BBC news and was annoyed they only showed staffies and not other breeds.

From
http://www.apbc.org.uk/articles/dog-aggression-FAQs

Are some dogs naturally aggressive?

"Although it might seem that some dogs are born to be aggressive, it is more accurate to say that they are born with inherited tendencies that might, if not controlled, make aggressive behaviour more likely. As aggression is always a response, usually to a threat, there is no reason why a dog cannot learn alternative responses. "
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Musher
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13-04-2015, 05:28 AM
like people they are.
tendencies are there. add surroundings and stimuli.
culture this, culture that and there you have it.
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